by CAELi Institute
WITHIN ORB: A podcast featuring interviews with astrologers about the books that changed their lives and practice. Join host Dr Jenn Zahrt every Monday for a new conversation. Each (roughly) thirty minute episode takes you on a journey across the textual territories of astrological publishing, both historical and future. Along the way, you’ll gather insights into the shifting sands of astrological trends, techniques, and the proliferation of practices and praxis. Each episode ends with the guest’s recommendations of books for beginners. Be careful, your tsundoku pile is about to double, or even quadruple!
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April 28, 2025
Scholar and translator Kristin Mathis joins host Jenn Zahrt from the Big Apple! Enjoy this unique and insightful episode with one of the world’s foremost experts on the Orphic Hymns! Tune in for a deep chat covering lots of terrain, including: the deets on Orpheus; pondering the mystery traditions; preserving and translating the archaic Greek understanding of the cosmos; and the profound idea that living in a human body may limit our ability to perceive what we already are! Plus: a Kevin Bacon moment, weaving together the cosmos, and… what do ancient Egyptian texts have to do with baboons singing? Kristin Mathis joins Episode 87 of Within Orb! Visit CAELi’s Within Orb pod page! Learn more about the CAELi Institute and check out their latest lab offerings. Visit our bookshop.org page to support CAELi and purchase books mentioned on the show! Become a CAELi member or renew your membership! Love the show? Support our work with a financial contribution or book donation. Follow CAELi on FB, IG, YouTube, and Bluesky. Transcripts available upon request. Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band. ***** Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025): 00:12 – Kristin Mathis is a translator and scholar of ancient Mediterranean religions and esoterica. Her current Mysteria Mundi project aims to re-translate the ancient Greek Orphic Hymns, making the esoteric content hidden in the original Greek wordplay accessible to a modern lay audience. The Orphic Hymns, which predate the development of Hellenistic astrology by several centuries, form a critical link between the Bronze Age astral temple traditions of Egypt, Babylonia, and Phoenicia, and all subsequent “Western” esoteric traditions, from Greek to Roman to Islamicate and beyond. Kristin resides in Brooklyn, NY, with her son, two cats, and way too many books and herbs. 00:52 – Kristin’s first book about astrology (that she came across in her research) was a catalogue of Thrasyllus’s library in the CCAG (Catalogus Codicum Astrologorum Graecorum)! 06:09 – If Kristin could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be The Orphic Hymns, translated by Gabriella Ricciardelli! 07:45 – Kristin’s second choice would be the gargantuan two-tome Greek-English Lexicon by Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott. 09:00 – The third title Kristin would bring is The Fragments of Sappho (in Greek)! For an English version, she suggests the one translated by Anne Carson. 09:26 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug! And be sure to check out our upcoming labs and summer camps! 10:13 – Enjoy Kristin and Jenn’s in-depth discussion of the Orphic Hymns! 36:24 – The books that Kristin recommends for diving into the scholarship about these cosmologies and astrologies are When They Severed Earth from Sky by Elizabeth Wayland Barber and Paul T. Barber and Echoes of the Ancient Skies: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations by E. C. Krupp. (She also mentions Hamlet’s Mill by Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend.) 42:09 – Find Kristin at her Substack: https://mysteriamundi.substack.com/. On Bluesky, her handle is @kristinmathis.bsky.social. 42:52 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks! Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.
April 21, 2025
Astrologer Patrick Watson joins host Jenn Zahrt from Michigan! Join the pair for this jam-packed episode, covering tons of terrain, including: encouraging a broader awareness of the cosmic rhythms; zodiacal releasing and when to switch the lots; the unique skill of superforecasters; considering retrogrades as wilding and extroverted; and don’t forget latitude! All that, plus: kimchi for Mars in Cancer, an astrological big brother and a paper nephew, and… is the clock looking back at us?? Patrick Watson joins Episode 86 of Within Orb! Visit CAELi’s Within Orb pod page! Learn more about the CAELi Institute and check out their latest lab offerings. Visit our bookshop.org page to support CAELi and purchase books mentioned on the show! Become a CAELi member or renew your membership! Love the show? Support our work with a financial contribution or book donation. Follow CAELi on FB, IG, YouTube, and Bluesky. Transcripts available upon request. Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band. ***** Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025): 00:31 – Patrick Watson has studied astrology since his teens. He is a certified professional astrologer, specializing in traditional and modern predictive techniques. He has broad proficiency in natal, electional, horary and mundane astrology, as well as rectification. He has consulted over 2000 clients in his work as a professional astrologer. He has been featured on The Astrology Podcast, The Washington Post, ABC News, The Wall Street Journal and Vox. His research interests include Hellenistic timelord systems, synodic cycles, election prediction, financial astrology and astrological applications of AI. He currently serves as CAPISAR President. He co-founded Thema Mundi Technologies, which is developing the new astrology software Nechepso. 00:35 – Patrick read his first astrology book as a teen, pulling it from his mother’s bookshelf! It was The Astrologer's Handbook by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker. And a shout-out to the horoscopes in The Reader's Digest, which he read at age 7! 05:02 – If Patrick could bring only three books to a deserted island, his first pick would be Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas. 14:34 – Patrick’s second choice would be Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune by Chris Brennan. 17:49 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug! 18:36 – The third title Patrick would bring is The Anthology by Vettius Valens. 30:39 – Honorable mentions go to Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice: A Manual of Traditional Techniques by Demetra George and Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction by Dan Gardner and Philip Tetlock. 39:12 – Why did the chicken cross the road? Tune in! For beginners, Patrick recommends You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance by Chani Nicholas. And lend your ears to the delightful story about The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk. 42:20 – Find Patrick at his website: https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/. On most social media, he is @pwatsonastro. And Nechepso will be available May 28, 2025! 44:29 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks! Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.
April 14, 2025
Astrologer Andrea Mallis joins host Jenn Zahrt from Berkeley, CA! Andrea and Jenn discuss sports astrology, books and more, including: the importance of team incorporation dates; relationship synastry and helpful compatibility shortcuts; the era of pamphlets instead of books; and group charts. Plus: the adage “when the student is ready the teacher appears,” goats on the field, and people as a living book! Andrea Mallis joins Episode 85 of Within Orb! Visit CAELi’s Within Orb pod page! Learn more about the CAELi Institute and check out their latest lab offerings. Visit our bookshop.org page to support CAELi and purchase books mentioned on the show! Become a CAELi member or renew your membership! Love the show? Support our work with a financial contribution or book donation. Follow CAELi on FB, IG, YouTube, and Bluesky. Transcripts available upon request. Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band. ***** Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2025): 00:31 – Certified astrologer Andrea Mallis is the creatrix of Virgo in Service Astrological Consulting and a graduate of Vicki Noble’s Motherpeace School of Healing Arts. Andrea brings over two decades of experience and devotion to her craft to guide you on your way. Andrea has a unique niche in sports astrology and has appeared on numerous national television and radio shows. She is currently the astrologer for ESPN, KNBR, 95.7 The Game, the podcast A’s Cast, and is “The Sports Sorceress” on Fox Sports Radio Sirius 83 The Ben Maller Show. Her pioneering work has been featured in The New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle. She recently appeared on CBS News Sunday Morning on Super Bowl Sunday and is the sports astrologer on Astrology.com. 04:51 – Andrea’s first astrology book was Astrology for Yourself: How to Understand and Interpret Your Own Birth Chart by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch. 07:33 – If Andrea could bring only three books to a deserted island, her first pick would be the previously mentioned Astrology for Yourself by Demetra George. 07:50 – Andrea’s second choice would be Baseball: An Astrological Sightline by César Love. (And lend your ears to César’s recent appearance on Within Orb: Episode 81, César Love: Sports Astrology!) 10:23 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug! 11:09 – The third title Andrea would bring is The Astrology of Human Relationships by Frances Sakoian and Louis Acker. (Jenn mentions Bernadette Brady’s software Jigsaw, which you can find here: https://www.bernadettebrady.com/software/.) 18:03 – For beginners, Andrea recommends Astrology for Yourself by Demetra George and Medical Astrology: Healing for the 21st Century by Marcia Starck. 22:04 – Find Andrea at her website: https://www.virgoinservice.com/. On her “about me” page, you can also find her email address, phone number, and social media links! 23:41 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks! Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.
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