Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast

About Zoë Routh Leadership Podcast

We explore the future and ask what this means for your leadership. We tackle the big issues, ask 'what if' and 'how might we'. We bring observations of trends and events around the world, talk to leading experts in their field about a topic on the future of leadership, give book recommendations, and offer tangible insights you can put into action right away.

Publisher

Zoe Routh

Category

business · business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

1 Aug 2019

Latest episode

11 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

1 of 432 episodes have a transcript.

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   11 Oct 2026

   419: The Great Man, Hidden Hands and Buried Code - What Ancient Rome Teaches Us About Power

   What do you do when you feel powerless inside a system? In this episode, Zoë Routh returns for a new season of The Future of Leadership with a big question: how can we exercise power and influence when the systems around us seem bigger than we are? Drawing on ancient Rome, organisational leadership and her own fascination with power, Zoë introduces three lenses for understanding how power operates: the Great Man, the Hidden Hands and the Buried Code. This conversation is for leaders navigating: -power imbalances inside organisations -systems that feel difficult or impossible to change -leadership cultures built around powerful personalities -hidden influence and informal networks -policies and practices that reinforce existing power -the risks and responsibilities of speaking up -how to create change when you are not the person at the top Zoë explores how systems are built to contain power, and what happens when those systems gradually begin to shift. Using Julius Caesar, Mark Antony and the festival of Lupercalia as a case study, she examines how charisma, loyalty, influence, money and deeply embedded cultural beliefs can shape political and organisational systems. She also introduces the idea of the Buried Code: the values, assumptions and beliefs sitting beneath a system that determine what people accept, resist or protect. From ancient Rome to modern workplaces, Zoë asks leaders to look beyond the visible person in charge and examine the structures, policies, relationships and stories that allow power to operate. The episode also explores quiet resistance, whistleblower protections and the personal risks involved in challenging a system when something is not right. Plus, Zoë shares updates from Planet Zoë, including her return from Canada, the launch of her new author bookstore, rewrites of Composure, Moments and Loyalty, and the completion of her 400-plus-page historical novel, The Pearl and the Dagger. If you have ever wondered how to influence a system without wearing the crown, this episode offers a framework for seeing power differently. Key Moments: 00:00 Welcome to the show 00:38 Passion, Power, Politics & the season's big question 01:04 Planet Zoë: life, travel & personal updates 03:07 Book updates & The Pearl and the Dagger 05:55 Power inside systems 08:23 Three theories of power 11:45 Lupercalia: Mark Antony offers Caesar the crown 15:01 Caesar through the three lenses of power 19:21 The Buried Code & the rise of Augustus 24:50 How small system changes reshape power 26:34 What leaders can examine inside organisations 27:42 Hidden Hands, quiet resistance & the risks of speaking up 29:23 Power Games giveaway & what's coming next Go Deeper: Explore Zoë's books: https://zoerouthauthor.com Enter the Power Games giveaway here Learn more about Power Games: https://zoerouthauthor.com/products/power-games-paperback

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   15 Jun 2026

   418: The Long Game: Time, Meaning, and Living Beautifully in a Finite World

   In this reflective solo episode, Zoë Routh explores one of the biggest questions leaders and humans face: how should we think about time, and what does it mean for how we live and lead? Drawing from her Chrysalis workshops on late-career transitions, Sarah Wilson's book I Eat the Stars, and her own experiences of writing, rebranding, and reconnecting with readers, Zoë invites us into a wider perspective on life, purpose, and mortality. She shares exciting developments in her author world, including the merging of her fiction and leadership work under a new umbrella called The Long Game, work on second editions of her early books, and progress on her first historical novel, The Pearl and the Dagger. At the heart of the episode is a meditation on time. From the lifespan of the Earth and the eventual death of the universe to the accelerating experience of decades as we age, Zoë explores how a long-view perspective can help us loosen our grip on anxiety and return to what matters most right now. She reflects on the seasons of life, from childhood wonder and achievement years to post-achievement transitions and the possibility of cultivation, wisdom, and savoring in later decades. Ultimately, she offers an invitation to live gratefully, love deeply, and make the most of our brief but precious existence. Key Quotes: "Choose to live well and lightly now." - Zoë Routh "If I have five decades ahead of me, or five days, how can I live gratefully and beautifully?" - Zoë Routh "Our time on Earth is finite. What shall I do to make the most of it?" - Zoë Routh "Sometimes we need to zoom out to the scale of the universe to come back to what matters today." - Zoë Routh "This brief whisper of life is precious, fleeting, and aren't we lucky?" - Zoë Routh Take Action: • Consider how your relationship with time has changed over the decades. • Ask yourself: If I only had five more decades, what would I cultivate? • Reflect on what matters most to you right now. • Identify which season of life you are currently in: achiever, post-achiever, cultivator, explorer, wisdom keeper, or savorer. • Notice where you may be overcomplicating life and ask: What would help me live more lightly? • Practice gratitude for the ordinary moments and relationships that make life meaningful. Life Stages Zoë Explores: 0–10: Magic Wonder, imagination, discovery, and delight. 20s: Learning to Adult Responsibility, relationships, and finding independence. 30s: Achiever Mode Making a mark and building a career. 40s: Maturing Achiever Greater wisdom, capability, and leadership. 50s: Post-Achiever Transition Releasing the need to prove and asking, "What now?" 60s: Cultivation and Harvest Planting seeds, tending what matters, and harvesting the fruits of experience. 70s: Exploration Continuing to discover the world with curiosity and presence. 80s: Wisdom and Ritual Living simply through gratitude, connection, and sacred rhythms. 90s: Savoring Appreciating the richness and beauty of life. Resources Mentioned: • I Eat the Stars: How to Live Fully and Beautifully in a Collapsing World – Sarah Wilson • Claude AI - for strategy, streamlining, and creative thinking • ChatGPT - for exploring scientific perspectives on time and the lifespan of the universe • Zoë's newsletters: Fit for the Future Leadership Bookish Coming soon under the new banner: The Long Game Key Moments: 00:00 Welcome & The Big Question About Time 01:00 Personal Updates & Returning from Canberra 02:10 Rebranding Under The Long Game 03:20 New Editions and Writing Projects 04:20 A Reader Finds The Olympus Project 06:20 Identity and Purpose Through The Chrysalis Program 08:10 Time, Mortality and Making the Most of Life 09:00 Sarah Wilson and Collapse Awareness 10:30 The Lifespan of Earth and the Universe 15:10 Returning to the Present Moment 16:40 Why Time Speeds Up as We Age 18:30 Seasons of Life and Leadership 20:30 Imagining the Decades Ahead 22:00 Living Beautifully in a Finite World 24:00 Closing Reflections & Winter Break This episode is an invitation to zoom out and take the long view. Through reflections on time, mortality, and the seasons of life, Zoë reminds us that while our days are finite, they are also rich with meaning and possibility. Rather than rushing through life, perhaps the real work is to savour it, to live with grace, lead in service, and love deeply.

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   29 May 2026

   417 Aging Workforce & Second Acts: Purpose, Identity, and Energy with Mel Kettle

   Sustainable success strategist and communication expert Mel Kettle joins Zoë Routh to explore the opportunities and challenges of an aging workforce, second-act careers, and designing a meaningful later chapter of life and work. Together they discuss why many experienced leaders no longer want traditional retirement, how identity and purpose evolve beyond job titles, and why creating social connection, flexibility, and energy awareness becomes increasingly important with age. The conversation also tackles workplace misconceptions about older employees, menopause and andropause at work, and how organisations can better support people through major life transitions while retaining valuable experience and wisdom. Design your next chapter with clarity, purpose, and intention through Zoë Routh's guided workshop series, The Chrysalis: Late Career by Design. Register Here: https://events.humanitix.com/the-chrysalis-late-career-by-design Key Quotes "The people who don't need to work anymore often still have the most to offer." - Mel Kettle "We are all so much more than what we do for a living." - Mel Kettle "Do more of the things that give you energy and less of the things that drain it." - Mel Kettle "Most people don't want to stop working. They just want a different version of work." - Zoë Routh Questions Asked What challenges does an aging workforce create for employers and employees? Why are so many experienced leaders looking for a "second act" instead of retirement? How can organisations retain knowledge and expertise from older workers? What role does identity play in later-career transitions? How do social connection and purpose impact wellbeing as we age? What gives us energy versus drains us in work and life? How should workplaces approach menopause and andropause conversations? What policies can reduce bias and support employees more fairly? Take Action Redefine Retirement: Consider what your "second act" or "protirement" phase could look like. Build a Portfolio of Purposes: Develop multiple sources of meaning beyond your job title. Protect Your Energy: Identify what energizes and drains you physically, emotionally, mentally, and socially. Strengthen Social Connection: Invest in friendships, communities, and activities outside of work. Create Flexible Work Models: Explore advisory, mentoring, or part-time pathways instead of abrupt retirement. Normalise Life Transitions: Encourage more compassionate and practical workplace conversations around aging and wellbeing. Key Moments 00:00 Welcome to the Show 00:30 Aging Workforce Question 00:44 Chrysalis Workshop Plug 01:32 Meet Mel Kettle 02:40 Second Act Careers 04:29 Employer Aging Conundrums 08:24 Flexible Roles and Advisors 10:38 Energy and Aging 14:15 Identity Beyond Work 17:04 Protirement Purpose Portfolio 19:45 Books and Social Connection 21:58 Men Building Networks 23:16 Coffee Invite Milestone 23:36 Golf Mates Deep Talks 25:03 Finding Your People 26:04 Menopause at Work 28:17 Bias Fears and Biology 30:00 One Bucket Leave Policy 32:17 Privacy and Sick Notes 32:59 Managing Leave Fairly 35:44 Fast Three Questions 38:14 Books and Identity 40:07 Where to Find Mel 41:10 Wrap Up and Next Steps If you enjoyed this conversation with Mel Kettle, revisit her previous appearance on the podcast: "Leadership Skills with Mel Kettle," where Zoë and Mel explored connected leadership, communication strategies, digital credibility, and building trust through authentic engagement in an increasingly disconnected world.

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183 Leadership principles with Promise Phelon

Published 8 Dec 2020 · Transcript excerpt

[…] So you get to work with kind of the best and the brightest I would say the second thing is, and I've not seen this anywhere else, you know, we have this claim to be a meritocracy, you know, where it's all about what you contribute, which I think some of that is that's an intention. It's not necessarily true. But what we do have is a culture of mentorship. And so what you'll find in the Silicon Valley is like, if you have a question and you need help answering something or addressing something or finding something, I mean, high level, successful people, well-placed will carve out and make time. […]

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