10x Recruiting is the podcast from Metaview that brings you real, unfiltered conversations with today’s top talent leaders. In each episode, Nolan Church (former Carta CPO & DoorDash Head of Talent) and his guests will challenge popular thinking and spark new ideas about what it takes to build world-class teams. We’ll bring you actionable tactics you can actually put into practice now and real metrics to understand what great looks like. Always with an eye towards the future, we’ll keep you in the know about how to stay ahead of the curve in the ever-evolving world of recruiting.

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10x Recruiting is the podcast from Metaview that brings you real, unfiltered conversations with today’s top talent leaders. In each episode, Nolan Church (former Carta CPO & DoorDash Head of Talent) and his guests will challenge popular thinking and spark new ideas about what it takes to build world-class teams. We’ll bring you actionable tactics you can actually put into practice now and real metrics to understand what great looks like. Always with an eye towards the future, we’ll keep you in the know about how to stay ahead of the curve in the ever-evolving world of recruiting.
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June 8, 2026
Inside the 10x Recruiting Retreat
<p>After bringing 45 top talent leaders together for the 10x Recruiter’s Retreat in Utah, Nolan and Siadhal unpack the clearest signal from the room: recruiting leaders are asking how to make AI work at scale.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode gets into the messy middle of AI adoption: why tinkering is easy, transformation is hard, and why recruiting teams face a much higher trust bar than engineering teams when deploying AI. Nolan and Siadhal also dig into candidate assessment, AI fluency, agent ownership, and why the most strategic recruiting still looks a lot like old-school detective work.</p><p><br></p><p>Key takeaways:</p><ul><li>Why most talent teams are still experimenting with AI, not scaling it</li><li>How companies should think about hiring dedicated AI enablement roles</li><li>Why assessing AI fluency is becoming a core hiring challenge</li><li>Why relationship-led sourcing may become even more valuable in an AI-native world</li></ul><p>Key topics covered:</p><p>[00:00] Intro</p><p>[01:11] AI transformation versus experimentation mindset</p><p>[02:28] FOMO overtaking fear of AI adoption</p><p>[03:01] Scale versus experiment challenge</p><p>[04:01] Few teams achieving real AI leverage</p><p>[05:09] Testing for AI fluency remains unsolved</p><p>[06:18] Hiring dedicated AI transformation specialists</p><p>[07:36] Separating workflow transformation from execution roles</p><p>[09:17] Resource dedication enables AI success</p><p>[10:26] Private investigator sourcing approach returns</p><p>[11:29] LinkedIn made recruiters lazy</p><p>[12:36] AI won't kill recruiting jobs</p><p>[13:39] Strong employer brands lag AI adoption</p><p>[15:21] Everyone feels behind on AI progress</p><p>[16:13] Trust requirements limit AI recruiting automation</p><p>[18:15] Precision matters more than speed</p><p>To learn more about Metaview, the AI platform for 10x recruiting teams, head to <a href="http://www.metaview.ai/10x">www.metaview.ai/10x</a></p>

May 22, 2026
Stakeholder influence masterclass with Cleo’s Head of Talent
<p>Recruiters are often told to “be strategic.” Lucy Lynn, Head of Talent at Cleo, shows what that actually looks like.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode, Lucy unpacks how her team manages stakeholders with data, structure, and a healthy intolerance for wasted recruiter time. </p><p><br></p><p>From weekly hiring dashboards to scorecard SLAs, monthly CEO reviews, and business-priority hiring reviews, Lucy explains how Cleo turns recruiting from a reactive service function into a decision-making engine.</p><p><br></p><p>The big takeaway: recruiters don’t earn influence by having stronger opinions. They earn it by bringing better evidence.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>You’ll learn:</strong></p><ul><li>How Cleo uses throughput, conversion, and latency to diagnose hiring problems</li><li>Why Lucy won’t let her team start a search without the right documentation</li><li>How monthly CEO reviews help recruiting leaders turn data into business action</li><li>Why prioritization meetings should be tied to company OKRs, not whoever shouts loudest</li></ul><p><strong>Key moments:<br></strong>[00:00] Intro</p><p><br></p><p>[02:52] Mastering Stakeholder Management Workshop</p><p>[05:39] Weekly Dashboard for Every Stakeholder</p><p>[08:10] Stakeholder SLAs and Scorecard Requirements</p><p>[10:22] Hard Line on Role Documentation</p><p>[13:00] Executive Search Profile Exploration</p><p>[16:21] Standardized Interview Process Design</p><p>[19:29] Monthly CEO Review Deep Dive</p><p>[23:47] Data-Driven Hiring Bias Challenge</p><p>[27:53] Monthly Priority Ranking Meetings</p><p>[30:26] Executive Team Battle for Resources</p><p>[33:41] Resolving Hiring Priority Disagreements</p><p>To learn more about Metaview, the AI platform for 10x recruiting teams, head to <a href="http://www.metaview.ai/10x">www.metaview.ai/10x</a></p><p><br></p>

May 5, 2026
Craft’s Cassie Chao on recruiting’s new superpower: building
<p>Most recruiters are waiting for AI to hand them perfect answers.</p><p><br></p><p>Cassie Chao is doing something better: building the tools she wishes existed.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode, Cassie, Talent Partner at Craft Ventures, breaks down how she went from “not technical” to building her own AI-powered recruiting workflows with Claude Code, Supabase, Metaview, and a lot of late-night tinkering. She shows what it actually takes to turn messy recruiting context into usable systems—and why the best AI outputs don’t come from one magical prompt.</p><p><br></p><p>Key takeaways:</p><ul><li>Why “one-shotting” AI products is mostly fantasy</li><li>How Cassie built tools to prep calls, search her network, and surface high-signal candidates faster</li><li>Why recruiting expertise, taste, and judgment matter more in an AI-enabled workflow</li></ul><p><br>Key topics covered:</p><p>[00:00] Intro</p><p>[01:37] Cassie builds AI tools for recruiting utility</p><p>[06:01] From recruiting to coding without technical background</p><p>[09:49] Making time for AI experimentation</p><p>[12:56] Building Radial, the AI recruiting assistant</p><p>[18:03] Iterative approach to AI product development</p><p>[22:32] Claude Code vs Claude AI decision making</p><p>[24:04] Building a custom CRM with AI</p><p>[30:07] Choosing Supabase for database architecture</p><p>[34:06] One shot AI products aren't real</p><p>[37:07] Managing broken features while building</p><p>[41:20] Trust the system you built article</p><p>[45:00] Hierarchy of hiring signal sources</p><p>[48:30] Spiky people and back channel references</p><p>[50:31] Building at the tip of AI spear</p><p>To learn more about Metaview, the AI platform for 10x recruiting teams, head to <a href="http://www.metaview.ai/10x">www.metaview.ai/10x</a></p>
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