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About Awakeners
This is Awakeners, a Lit Hub Radio podcast about mentorship in the literary arts. Robert Frost allegedly said he was not a teacher but an “awakener.” On every episode of this podcast, host Lena Crown speaks with writers, artists, critics, and scholars across generations who have awakened something for one another. We chat about how their relationship has evolved, examine the connections and divergences in their writing and thinking, and dig into the archives for traces of their mutual influence. Website: awakenerspodcast.com
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- Lena Crown
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- arts · society & culture
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- en
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- First episode
- 6 Nov 2024
- Latest episode
- 1 Jul 2026
Latest episodes
14 episodes in the feed.

1 Jul 2026
Arielle Hebert & Dorianne Laux
To kick off the third season of Awakeners, Lena speaks with poets Dorianne Laux and Arielle Hebert, who connected when Arielle joined the MFA program at North Carolina State University. We review Dorianne and Arielle’s poetic lineages, with special attention to Dorianne’s close ties to (and beautiful, hilarious stories about) Philip Levine and Sharon Olds. In the second half of the episode, we dive into the weekly generative writing sessions Dorianne has hosted on Zoom since 2020, which operate with a fascinating constraint, and we hear how one of these sessions produced poems that made it into both Dorianne’s and Arielle’s new collections.Arielle Hebert is a queer poet based in North Carolina with roots in Florida and Louisiana. Her debut poetry collection, Bottom Feeders, was a finalist for the St. Lawrence Book Award and is out now from Black Lawrence Press. Her poems have appeared in The Slowdown, Academy of American Poets’ Poem-a-Day series, Poetry Daily, Best New Poets, Southern Humanities Review, Great River Review, and others. Arielle is the 2025-2026 fellow at Hellbender Gathering of Poets, an annual writing conference celebrating poetry, environmental science, and community to bring about a joyful rising in a climate-changed world. She is the Director of Operations and Marketing at Blair, a nonprofit publisher focused on emerging and diverse writers.Dorianne Laux’s sixth collection, Only As the Day is Long: New and Selected Poems was named a finalist for the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry. Her fifth collection, The Book of Men, was awarded The Paterson Prize. Her fourth book of poems, Facts About the Moon, won The Oregon Book Award and was short-listed for the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize. Laux is also the author of Awake; What We Carry, a finalist for the National Book Critic’s Circle Award; Smoke; as well as a fine small press edition, The Book of Women. She is the co-author of the celebrated text The Poet's Companion: A Guide to the Pleasures of Writing Poetry. Her latest collection of poetry is Life On Earth and was released in January of 2024. Finger Exercises for Poets, a book of concise craft essays and exercises for poets was released in July 2024.More Arielle: https://www.ariellehebert.com/More Dorianne: https://www.doriannelaux.net/Subscribe to Awakeners: https://www.awakenerspodcast.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

23 Sept 2025
Gabrielle Bates & Keetje Kuipers
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena speaks with the poets Gabrielle Bates and Keetje Kuipers, who met when Gabby enrolled in Keetje’s poetry class at Auburn University in Alabama almost thirteen years ago. According to Gabby, she thought all poets were dead, so Keetje’s class was a revelation. They read Richard Siken, Terrance Hayes, A.E. Stallings, and Dorianne Laux, Keetje’s own mentor. They began corresponding about poems, and when Keetje later left her tenure-track job to move to Seattle, where Gabby was living after her MFA (and still is), they formed a writing group with a few other local poetesses, to crib Gabby’s word, and became something more like peers. We joke in this episode that Keetje is Gabby’s personal archivist: she came prepared with poems from the first packet Gabby ever sent seeking feedback, as well as an email exchange from 2014 and an introduction Keetje wrote for one of Gabby’s readings from the same year. In the second half of the episode, we get to hear excerpts from all three, and Gabby and Keetje read aloud several poems from their most recent books, JUDAS GOAT and LONELY WOMEN MAKE GOOD LOVERS. We track some wonderfully eerie resonances across their work, including encounters with animals, patriarchal violence, the general attraction to discomfort, the contrast between ‘now’ and ‘then,’ dialogue with other women, and poem endings that ask new questions. We discuss why it’s empowering to write while housesitting and what the difference might be between the "scariest thing” in a poem and its “heart.” And reader: we all cry a little bit. Gabrielle Bates is the author of Judas Goat (Tin House, 2023; the87press, 2025), an NPR Best Book of 2023 and finalist for the Washington State Book Award. Originally from Birmingham, Alabama, she currently lives in Seattle, where she works for Open Books: A Poem Emporium, co-hosts the podcast The Poet Salon, and serves occasionally as visiting faculty for the University of Washington Rome Center and the Tin House Writers' Workshops. Her poems have appeared in the New Yorker, the Believer, Sewanee Review, American Poetry Review, and Ploughshares. Keetje Kuipers’ fourth collection of poems is Lonely Women Make Good Lovers. She is the recipient of a National Endowment for the Arts Literature Fellowship, and her poems have appeared in the Pushcart Prize and Best American Poetry anthologies. She lives in Montana and is Editor of Poetry Northwest. More Gabby: https://www.gabriellebat.es/ More Keetje: https://keetjekuipers.com/ Mentioned in the episode: Dorianne Laux and Garret Hongo (sp?) Paisley Rekdal Camille Dungy Crush by Richard Siken Chantel Acevedo Bob Wrigley Corrie Williamson Tracy K. Smith

26 Aug 2025
Nicole Chung & Tajja Isen
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena speaks with the nonfiction writers Tajja Isen and Nicole Chung, who became colleagues and friends after working together on an essay for Catapult, a (now sadly shuttered) digital magazine where Nicole served as editor. After collaborating to publish Tajja’s essay, Nicole brought Tajja onto the magazine’s editorial staff, and eventually Tajja succeeded Nicole as Editor in Chief. In the first half of the episode, Tajja and Nicole read aloud from their first email exchange, including Tajja’s pitch and Nicole’s feedback. We get into the nitty gritty of what this kind of editorial back-and-forth looks like—including the time Tajja took between drafts—and discuss how their mutual admiration as writer and editor grew into an enduring friendship (and how Nicole knew Tajja would make a good editor after seeing her revise her own work). In the second half of the episode, we discuss how writing and editing feed one another, and how Tajja and Nicole have maintained their identities as writers alongside their identities as editors and champions of other writers’ work. We end with a peek into the thinking behind Tajja’s next book, Tough Love, a memoir about mentorship, control, desire, and the anxiety of influence. Nicole Chung is the author of the award-winning memoir A Living Remedy, which was named a Notable Book by The New York Times and a Best Book of the Year by over a dozen other outlets. Her 2018 debut All You Can Ever Know was a national bestseller and a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award. Chung has written for The New York Times Magazine, The Washington Post, Time, Esquire, The Guardian, The Atlantic, Slate, and many other publications. Tajja Isen is the author of the essay collection Some of My Best Friends, named a Best Book of the Year by outlets including Electric Literature and The Globe and Mail. She is a contributing writer for The Walrus, for which she received an honorable mention at the 2024 National Magazine Awards. Her work has been recognized with fellowships from the Black Mountain Institute, the Ucross Foundation, and the Sewanee Writers' Conference. She also edits for Orion magazine and works as a cartoon voice actor. Her next book, Tough Love, is a memoir of mentorship. More Nicole: nicolechung.net More Tajja: tajjaisen.com Subscribe and connect with us on our website: awakenerspodcast.com. Mentioned in the episode: Catapult (RIP) Periplus Fellowship Yuka Igarashi, Editor at Graywolf Jess Zimmerman at Electric Lit Gordon Lisch Elizabeth Hardwick

6 Aug 2025
Aditi Machado & Carl Phillips
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena speaks with the poets Carl Phillips and Aditi Machado, who met through the MFA program at Washington University in St. Louis when Aditi began as a student almost fifteen years ago. Growing up in India, Aditi wasn’t exposed to much American poetry. Carl could tell, reading her work, that this was a singular voice—he even remembers thinking to himself that Aditi’s style made him want to reconsider his own approach. In the first half of the episode, we discuss what surprised Carl about Aditi’s work, how Carl’s experience as a high school Latin teacher informed his pedagogy, and what Aditi remembers from her time as Carl’s student (and has borrowed, now that she’s a professor herself). We also discuss what Carl prioritized as the judge for the Yale Series of Younger Poets Prize, the oldest annual literary award in the U.S. And as a bonus, Aditi shares an excerpt from a hilarious and enthusiastic journal entry she wrote after one of her early meetings with Carl to discuss her work. In the second half of the episode, we hear poems from their newest books, Aditi’s “Concerning Matters Culinary” from Material Witness and Carl’s “Fist and Palm” from Scattered Snows, to the North. We discuss their radically different approaches to form and process, what it means to get “personal” in their poetry, and their shared interest in the agency of the natural world, a subtle materialism that thrums through both collections. (In other words: Lena makes the argument that their work isn’t as different as it seems.) Aditi Machado is a poet, translator, and essayist. Her publications include three poetry collections from Nightboat, Material Witness (2024), Emporium (2020), and Some Beheadings (2017); two book-length translations from the French, Baptiste Gaillard’s In the Realm of Motes (Roof, 2025) and Farid Tali’s Prosopopoeia (Action, 2016); and several chapbooks. Her work appears or is forthcoming in journals like BOMB, Chicago Review, Fence, jubilat, Lana Turner, Volt, and Western Humanities Review, among others. A recipient of the James Laughlin and The Believer Poetry Awards, she serves as an advisory poetry editor for The Paris Review and teaches at the University of Cincinnati. Carl Phillips is the author of many books of poetry, including Scattered Snows, to the North and Then the War: And Selected Poems, 2007–2020, which was awarded the Pulitzer Prize. He lives on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. More Aditi: aditimachado.com More Carl: https://www.carlphillipspoet.com/ Subscribe and connect with us on our website: awakenerspodcast.com. Read Carl’s poem “Fist and Palm”: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/158812/fist-and-palm Mentioned in the episode: Martín Espada Alan Dugan Mary Jo Bang Jorie Graham John Ashbery Johannes Jorgensen, Transgressive Circulation Brigit Pegeen Kelly Rosemary Walddrop, The Reproduction of Profiles Gerard Manley Hopkins

1 Jul 2025
Tash Aw & Jemimah Wei
Host Lena interviews novelists Tash Aw and Jemimah Wei about their writing journeys, the importance of regional representation, and how time and place influence their work, exploring themes of cultural identity and narrative perspective in this interview.

10 Jun 2025
Lydi Conklin & Melissa Febos
Host Lena interviews writers Melissa Febos and Lydi Conklin about their friendship that began at MacDowell, discussing memorable writing advice, abandoned projects, and their forthcoming books, exploring themes of queerness and world-building.

4 Mar 2025
Re-Awakeners: Tiana Clark
On this special bonus episode of Awakeners, Lena speaks with writer Tiana Clark about the person who first told her she was a poet: her late mentor and high school teacher, Mr. Bill Brown. Tiana was a rebellious teenager. “They’re talking about you in the teacher’s lounge,” Mr. Brown warned her once. But instead of punishing Tiana for acting out, Mr. Brown gifted her the poetry of Rita Dove, Li-Young Lee, and Sharon Olds, writers whose work broke all the rules Tiana had learned in school. He continued to support Tiana for the next twenty years, cheering her on through her MFA applications, her chapbook publication, and the publication of her first book. In the first half of the episode, we discuss Mr. Brown’s legacy in Tiana’s poetry, pedagogy, and attention to the natural world (since he could name every tree on their walks around the neighborhood). Later on, Tiana reads “Broken Sestina Reaching for Black Joy” from her new collection Scorched Earth, a poem that illuminates the darker history behind the pedestrian greenway where Tiana walked every day in the pandemic, and where she saw Mr. Brown for the last time. We talk about the form of the sestina and what it means to “break” it or “fail” at it. We also cover Tiana’s revised future as a historian, the politics of traveling (and writing about travel) as a Black woman, and the elegy form as an attempt to resurrect those we’ve lost. Tiana Clark is the author of the poetry collections Scorched Earth; I Can’t Talk About the Trees Without the Blood, which won the 2017 Agnes Lynch Starrett Prize; and Equilibrium, which won the 2016 Frost Place Chapbook Competition. Clark’s other honors include a Pushcart Prize, a Kate Tufts Discovery Award, and fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts and the Bread Loaf Writers’ Conference. She is a graduate of Vanderbilt University and Tennessee State University, where she studied Africana and women’s studies. She is the Grace Hazard Conkling Writer-in-Residence at Smith College. Find out more at TianaClark.com. This episode marks the end of Season 1, but stay tuned in summer for Season 2! Subscribe and connect with us on our website for updates: awakenerspodcast.com. More Tiana: https://www.tianaclark.com/ Order Scorched Earth, out March 4, 2025: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Scorched-Earth/Tiana-Clark/9781668052075 Definition of pastoral: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/education/glossary/pastoral Definition of sestina: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/education/glossary/sestina Definition of elegy: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/education/glossary/elegy Definition of ekphrasis: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/education/glossary/ekphrasis Mentioned in the episode: Sharon Olds, Rita Dove, Li-Young Lee, Ross Gay, Gwendolyn Brooks, Phillis Wheatley, Rick Barot, Maggie Nelson

18 Feb 2025
T Bambrick & Jane Miller
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena chats with writers T Bambrick and Jane Miller, who were connected by some fellow poets in Tucson when T found themselves at a crossroads in their writing. Jane had just retired from teaching (for the first time), but they began to meet regularly over brunch to talk about—well, everything. We discuss the advice from Jane that helped T write their first book, a searing poetry collection about working a cleanup crew around a dam in Washington. We talk about moments of crisis in artmaking, how to write about harmful experiences without making yourself sad, and when and why we might want to write “small” or take up more space on the page. In the second half of the episode, T reads aloud a poem from their book Intimacies, Received inspired by a line from one of Jane’s poems, and Jane shares a poem about artmaking from Paper Banners. Bonus: we follow T down a research rabbit hole about the violent political history of skunks. T says: “Jane told me, Say somebody hit you with a wooden spoon. You might write a book about spoons or wood. You can work your way around the site of the most intense pain, finding something to dive into and obsess over.” Jane Miller has written twelve poetry books, most recently Paper Banners and Who Is Trixie the Trasher? and Other Questions, and two collections of essays, Working Time: Essays on Poetry, Culture, and Travel and From the Valley of Bronze Camels: A Primer, Some Lectures, & A Boondoggle on Poetry. She is the recipient of a Wallace Award for Poetry, a Guggenheim Fellowship, two National Endowment for the Arts Fellowships, the Western States Book Award, and the Audre Lorde Prize in Poetry. Jane has taught in several MFA programs, including The University of Arizona, The Michener Center for Writers, and the Iowa Writer’s Workshop. T Bambrick is the author of Intimacies, Received (Copper Canyon Press 2022), and Vantage (American Poetry Review/Honickman First Book Award 2019). Their work can be found in the New Yorker, The Nation, American Poetry Review, and elsewhere. She lives in Los Angeles and is a Dornsife Fellow in the creative writing PhD program at the University of Southern California. Subscribe and connect with us on our website: awakenerspodcast.com. More T: https://www.taneumbambrick.com/ More Jane: https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/authors/jane-miller/ Mentioned in the episode: T Bambrick’s poem “Traveling”: https://missourireview.com/taneum-bambrick-traveling/ C.D. Wright Viet Thanh Nguyen

4 Feb 2025
Firefeet: Olivia Wolfgang-Smith, CJ Hauser, Charlie Beckerman, and Emily Alford
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena gets temporarily inducted into a writing group called the Firefeet by writers Emily Alford, Charlie Beckerman, CJ Hauser and Olivia Wolfgang-Smith, who have been keeping their “feet to the fire”—in other words, keeping weekly goal-setting and accountability email threads—for the past ten years. The four connected through the graduate programs in creative writing at Florida State University, and they’ve supported one another through novel drafting, book publication, family struggles, job changes, and more over the course of a decade. We discuss how the Firefeet came together, what makes them good readers of one another’s work, the “signature moves” that characterize each of their writing, and what they’ve learned about writing group best practices. In the second half of the episode, we define four key terms in Firefeet lingo, and we go around the circle and perform one of the Firefeet's weekly check-ins. We also celebrate Olivia, whose week is extra special: the publication of this podcast episode coincides with the pub date for Mutual Interest, her new queer historical novel about a love triangle in Gilded-Age New York. Emily Alford is a writer living in New Orleans. A former staff writer at Jezebel, her work has also appeared in Publishers Weekly, Iron Horse, Gawker, and elsewhere. She teaches at Tulane and is hard at work on a noir novel. You can find pictures of her 15-year-old cocker spaniel on Instagram (@emilyalicealford) and rants at the TV on Bluesky (@alfordalice). Charlie Beckerman is a writer who claims both San Francisco and New York as his hometown. His fiction has appeared in Glassworks and The Quail Bell Review, and his memoir podcast, Serial Dater, is available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. He has written other nonfiction for Greatist, Thrillist, and worked as a political writer for Bustle during the 2016 Presidential Election. He is the recipient of a Fulbright Scholarship to the United Kingdom, and he is working on his PhD in Fiction at the University of Cincinnati. He is currently seeking representation for his queer historical fiction novel set in London during the Second World War. He is @chozzles everywhere on social media, and you can find more information at www.charliebeckerman.com. CJ Hauser is a genderqueer and genrequeer writer who teaches at Colgate University. They are the author of The Crane Wife: A Memoir in Essays and Family of Origin: A Novel. You can find them trying to keep their chin up and disseminating dog pictures on substack @dopaminedog. Olivia Wolfgang-Smith (@owolfgangsmith) is the author of Mutual Interest (out Feb 4, 2025 from Bloomsbury) and Glassworks, which was longlisted for the Center for Fiction First Novel Prize. She is a 2024 NYSCA/NYFA Artist Fellow in Fiction from The New York Foundation for the Arts and lives in Brooklyn with her partner. More at https://www.awakenerspodcast.com/.

22 Jan 2025
Adrian Matejka & Austin Araujo
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena chats with poets Adrian Matejka and Austin Araujo. Austin was already a huge fan of Adrian’s work—especially his collection The Big Smoke, a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize—when he applied to study with him at Indiana University’s MFA program. Austin assisted Adrian with an undergrad class on the poetics of rap, and Adrian served on Austin’s thesis committee, where he helped shape an early “prototype” of what would become Austin’s debut collection: At the Park on the Edge of the Country, out next month from the Ohio State University Press. We discuss how to preserve your past self when revising old poems, why it’s important to embed your work in a specific place, what Adrian learned from Yusef Komunyakaa, what Austin learned from Louise Glück, and how it felt for both of them when Austin placed a poem with Poetry Magazine, where Adrian now serves as editor. In the second half of the episode, we put Austin’s and Adrian’s poems from their latest books into conversation with one another. We also cover “internal antagonists,” rap music, Prince, boxing champion Jack Johnson, why polysyllabic words make the best rhymes, and how we might claw through awe into truth when writing about our pop culture heroes. Austin Araujo is a writer from northwest Arkansas. He is the recipient of a Wallace Stegner Fellowship from Stanford University and his poems have recently appeared in Poetry, TriQuarterly, and Gulf Coast. His debut collection, At the Park on the Edge of the Country, won the 2023 The Journal Charles B. Wheeler Prize and is forthcoming from Mad Creek Books in 2025. Adrian Matejka is the author of seven books, most recently a graphic novel Last On His Feet (Liveright, 2023), which was a finalist for the Eisner Award and was selected by the New York Public Library as one of the 10 best books of 2023. His last collection of poems Somebody Else Sold the World (Penguin, 2021), was a finalist for 2022 UNT Rilke Prize and the 2022 Indiana Authors Award. He served as Poet Laureate of the state of Indiana in 2018-19 and is Editor-in-Chief of Poetry magazine. Subscribe and connect with us on our website: awakenerspodcast.com. More Austin: austinaraujo.com More Adrian: https://www.adrianmatejka.com/about Preorder Austin’s debut collection: https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814259368.html Austin’s poem in Poetry Magazine, “In Body Sweet”: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/158807/in-body-sweet Mentioned in the episode: Eduardo C. Corral’s Slow Lightning, Louise Glück, Yusef Komunyakaa, Terrance Hayes, A. Van Jordan, Gwendolyn Brooks, Adam Bradley’s Book of Rhymes, Shea Serrano’s Rap Yearbook, Larry Levis, Ben Okri, Hanif Abdurraqib’s Go Ahead in the Rain

17 Dec 2024
Kyoko Mori & Abi Newhouse
Kyoko Mori & Abi Newhouse discuss the evolution of Abi's essay collection, ambivalence in personal narrative, and the mentor-mentee relationship, sharing insights on listening to one's writing and moving beyond mentorship.

3 Dec 2024
Rick Barot & Brian Teare
Poets Rick Barot and Brian Teare discuss their decades-long collaboration, ekphrastic approaches, and the intersections of art, politics, and queer identity in their work.

19 Nov 2024
Leslie Jamison & Emmeline Clein
On this episode of Awakeners, Lena chats with writers Leslie Jamison and Emmeline Clein. Clein studied with Jamison at Columbia University’s MFA program, and the pair published their most recent books—Jamison’s memoir, Splinters, and Clein’s debut essay collection, Dead Weight—the very same week back in February 2024. We discuss what they’re working on right now, what they talked about on their most recent lunch date, how Jamison’s “Archive Fever” class shaped Clein’s research, how to weave softness from words that cut, how both of their books engage with the (often maligned) desire to “revoke” or undo your decisions as a woman, and what they’ve learned from each other when it comes to writing about eating disorders, self-harm, and pain. In the second half of the episode, Clein reads from Jamison’s feedback letter in response to an early draft of Clein’s essay “On Our Knees” from Dead Weight, and Jamison reads from “On Shame,” a lecture that has since been integrated into her in-progress book of essays about writing. Leslie Jamison is the New York Times bestselling author of Splinters, The Recovering, The Empathy Exams, Make it Scream, Make it Burn, and a novel, The Gin Closet. She is a regular contributor to The New Yorker and teaches at Columbia University. She lives in Brooklyn with her family. Emmeline Clein is the author of Dead Weight: Essays on Hunger and Harm (Knopf, 2024) and Toxic (Choo Choo Press, 2024). Her writing has appeared in the Paris Review, The Nation, the Yale Review, the New York Times Magazine, and elsewhere. Links: Awakeners featured on The Lit Hub Podcast (0:31): https://dcs-spotify.megaphone.fm/LIT3180235730.mp3?key=633b1bbb7860a1e12ffb4fa0ddd234fb&request_event_id=8055516a-55c5-4ac3-a490-1e3b1e46f10e&timetoken=1731795270_B448F57BE00F644C54A56320FDD845D3 Subscribe and connect with us on our website at awakenerspodcast.com. Follow us on Instagram for exclusive content at @awakenerspodcast.

6 Nov 2024
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This is Awakeners, a Lit Hub Radio podcast about mentorship in the literary arts. Host Lena Crown interviews pairs of writers, artists, critics, and scholars who matter to one another. We chat about how their relationship has evolved, examine the connections and divergences in their writing and thinking, and dig into the archives for traces of their mutual influence (think feedback letters, margin comments, early essay drafts, and more). To listen is to get a window into literary traditions being formed in real time—and to simply hang out for an hour with brilliant artists and longtime friends. Awakeners Season 1 airs every two weeks starting November 19, 2024, wherever you get your podcasts.
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