Conversational short-form marketing strategies, frameworks, and tactical advice to help early-stage B2B software (SaaS) companies on their journeys from MVP to PMF and beyond. Hosted by Brian Graf, CEO at Kalungi, and Stijn Hendrikse, Co-Founder at Kalungi, serial CMO for B2B SaaS companies and ex-Microsoft Global Marketing Leader.
B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks
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Conversational short-form marketing strategies, frameworks, and tactical advice to help early-stage B2B software (SaaS) companies on their journeys from MVP to PMF and beyond. Hosted by Brian Graf, CEO at Kalungi, and Stijn Hendrikse, Co-Founder at Kalungi, serial CMO for B2B SaaS companies and ex-Microsoft Global Marketing Leader.
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Recent Episodes
June 15, 2026
BSMS98 - Leveling Up Together: Building High-Performing B2B SaaS Teams
Host Stijn interviews Antoine, Kalungi's CEO, discussing his book "Level Up" and frameworks for building high-performing B2B SaaS marketing teams.
May 7, 2026
The Death of the MQL: Shifting Focus from Quantity to Pipeline Value
<p>Is the Marketing Qualified Lead (MQL) dead, or are marketing teams stuck in a cycle of high-volume, low-return efforts?</p><p>Marketing economics have undergone significant structural shifts in recent years. With the disappearance of global labor arbitrage and the rise of AI-generated content, the costs of customer acquisition and inbound marketing have skyrocketed. Because of these changes, the once-dominant metric of the MQL is rapidly losing its relevance in today's B2B SaaS environment.</p><p>In this episode of B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks, Brian Graf, Executive CMO of Kalungi, sits down with Stijn Hendrikse, Kalungi's co-founder and ex-Microsoft product marketing leader, to unpack the risks of over-reliance on MQLs. They talk through why marketing teams can no longer win on sheer quantity and speed alone, and how AI and globalization have completely changed the playing field.</p><p>You’ll hear why focusing on "big plays"—low volume, high depth strategies like flagship events or deep partnerships—is key to sustainable growth. Brian and Stijn also detail practical frameworks for shifting away from the high-volume "MQL trap" and moving toward metrics that actually matter: pipeline value and signal-to-noise ratio. By focusing on these deeper, quality-led strategies, marketing teams can flatten the problem of labor arbitrage and AI ubiquity.</p><p><strong>In this podcast, you'll learn:</strong></p><ul><li>Why the once-dominant MQL is losing its relevance in the B2B SaaS environment.</li><li>How the end of global labor arbitrage and the rise of AI have heavily inflated marketing and customer acquisition costs.</li><li>The dangers of the "MQL trap," where teams are forced to execute high-volume, high-depth campaigns with diminishing returns.</li><li>Why shifting to "big plays"—low volume, high depth strategies—is the key to sustainable growth.</li><li>How to transition your tracking from MQLs to measuring the actual dollar value created in your pipeline.</li><li>The importance of structuring a leaner marketing team that focuses on signal-to-noise ratio and quality-led strategies.</li></ul><p>By the end, you’ll have a clearer view of why the old inbound playbooks are failing and how to build a quality-led, pipeline-focused go-to-market strategy that cuts through the noise.</p><p><strong>Chapters:</strong></p><p>00:00 The Death of the MQL<br>08:20 Shifts in Marketing Economics<br>15:29 The Big Play Quadrant<br>20:49 New Metrics for Success<br>25:44 Team Dynamics and Marketing Costs<br></p><p><strong>ABOUT B2B SAAS MARKETING SNACKS<br></strong><br></p><p>Since 2020, The B2B SaaS Marketing Snacks Podcast has offered software company founders, investors and leadership a fresh source of insights into building a complete and efficient engine for growth.</p><p>Meet our Marketing Snacks Podcast Hosts: </p><p> </p><ul><li><strong>Stijn Hendrikse</strong>: Author of T2D3 Masterclass & Book, Founder of Kalungi<br>As a serial entrepreneur and marketing leader, Stijn has contributed to the success of 20+ startups as a C-level executive, including Chief Revenue Officer of Acumatica, CEO of MightyCall, a SaaS contact center solution, and leading the initial global Go-to-Market for Atera, a B2B SaaS Unicorn. Before focusing on startups, Stijn led global SMB Marketing and B2B Product Marketing for Microsoft’s Office platform.<p></p></li><li><strong>Brian Graf</strong>: Executive CMO at Kalungi<br>As a CMO at Kalungi, Brian provides high-level strategy, tactical execution, and business leadership expertise to drive long-term growth for B2B SaaS. Brian has successfully led clients in all aspects of marketing growth, from positioning and messaging to event support, product announcements, and channel-spend optimizations, generating qualified leads and brand awareness for clients while prioritizing ROI. Before Kalungi, Brian worked in television advertising, specializing in business intelligence and campaign optimization, and earned his MBA at the University of Washington's Foster School of Business with a focus in finance and marketing.</li></ul><p> </p><p>Visit <a href="http://kalungi.com/">Kalungi.com</a> to learn more about growing your B2B SaaS company.</p>
March 31, 2026
BSMS96 - Signal-Based Marketing and the End of Broad ABM
Host Stijn Hendrikse interviews serial entrepreneur Mani Iyer about shifting from broad ABM to signal-driven selling, revealing how to leverage buyer behavior for effective B2B growth.
98 total episodes available with 51 transcripts
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