Steve Goodall, Natalie Light & Corrin Goodall delve deep into some of the greatest and influential books about Dog Training and Behaviour as well as informative and entertaining interviews with the worlds best animal professionals.
#103 Professor Carri Westgarth - Are Woke Cheese Tossing, Cuddle Fairy Twinkle Twots Presiding Over A Ticking Timebomb Of Training Methods?
In this episode, Steve is joined again by the legendary Professor Carri Westgarth to unpack a recent controversial BBC article claiming that "woke" training methods are leading to an increase in dog bites. We move past the headlines to look at the real data, why it's a complex and nuanced issue, and why being a "cheese-tossing cuddle fairy" might not be as bad as the BBC suggests.
About Our Guest:
Professor Carri Westgarth is the Chair in Human-Animal Interaction at the University of Liverpool. She is a leading authority who supervises PhD research on all aspects of companion animal welfare and anthrozoology. Her own PhD, conducted within the Liverpool Veterinary Epidemiology Group, specifically explored the complexities of contact between dogs and people.
A Full Member of the Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors, Carri is the author of The Happy Dog Owner and Dog Bites: A multidisciplinary perspective and, quite impressively, a recent winner of a swanky camper van for the price of a fancy sandwich (£7.50).
The "Woke" Headline: Unpacking the recent media narrative that positive training is "permissive" and dangerous.
The Bite Data: What are the figures and what might that tell us
Unpicking the Science: How to know what you're looking at can be trusted?
The Trainer Wars: Fear mongering and bear poking; is it audience capture or marketing & who ultimately loses?
The Pain Link: Carri shares a personal story about her Spaniel, Maple, and how subtle pain can mask as unwanted behavior.
The Regulation Utopia: Why Carri feels licensing and industry regulation may be harder to implement than they look on paper.
Important Links:
DogX 2026 Tickets: Grab your seat for the ultimate training conference at dogxconference.com (https://www.dogxconference.com)
Start Your Journey: Find out how to become a PACT accredited trainer at pact-dogs.com (https://www.pact-dogs.com)
Carri’s Research: Check out her work at the University of Liverpool or grab her book The Happy Dog Owner.
10 Mar 2026
#102 Carrie-Anne Selwyn - Health, Safety & Other "Twiddly S**t"
In this episode, Steve is joined (for the third time!) by the brilliant Carrie-Anne Selwyn. They dive into the reality of moving a city-dwelling Malinois to the countryside, the nuances of high-level sports, and the "safety vs. training" equipment debate.
Topics Covered:
The Country Move: Living in a barn renovation, "zombie fences," and the weight of land management.
Crufts 2026: A look behind the scenes of qualifying Viper the Malinois for the show ring and how to prioritise welfare over competition.
Managing the "Ferrari": Learning agility with a high-speed breed and the importance of arousal management.
The "Why" of Behaviour: Moving beyond "bad dog" labels to understand displacement behaviors and the human role in the training team.
Positive is Not Permissive: A candid discussion on the being human, and why boundaries are essential for trust.
Find Out More About Carrie-Anne:
Facebook: Carrie-Anne Selwyn (https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.facebook.com/carrieanne.selwyn)
Canine Hoopers World: www.caninehoopersworld.com (https://www.caninehoopersworld.com)
TikTok: Join some excellent Malinois noise over @caninehoopersworld (https://www.tiktok.com/@caninehoopersworld?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc)
24 Feb 2026
#101 Suzanne Clothier - Lessons in Laughter and Life with Animals
Hey. Hey, Hey Bookshelvers!
In this very special episode, Nat and Corrin "fly solo" to sit down with a true icon of the dog world, Suzanne Clothier. While Steve was away, the team dove deep into a conversation that spans far beyond traditional training, touching on the raw reality of farming life, the hilarity of animal antics, and the wisdom that comes from a lifetime dedicated to understanding other species.
We delve into:
The Reality of Farm Life: From Highland cattle forming protective circles against coyotes to the stark difference between "suspicious" sheep and "troublemaking" goats.
Winter Wonderland vs. Mud Season: A playful look at the environmental challenges of rural life and the joy of watching happy cows frolicking in the snow.
Training Through the Ages: Suzanne reflects on her extensive career and the evolution of the industry—sharing how it feels to be the "ancient" wisdom for a new generation of trainers.
The "Pantyhose" Incident: One of the most hilarious animal stories ever told on the pod!
Community and Connection: Why sharing our failures and funny stories is the secret ingredient to building a non-judgmental community of dog enthusiasts.
Find Suzanne Clothier Online:
Website: suzanneclothier.com (https://suzanneclothier.com)
Books: Find Suzanne's books and resources here (https://suzanneclothier.com/shop/)
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