Between Two Ellens* is a podcast hosted by Oklahoma state representatives Ellyn Hefner and Ellen Pogemiller. Together, they dive into pressing state issues through both a legislative and community lens. Each episode features conversations with experts, advocates, and Oklahoma legislators to highlight diverse perspectives and practical solutions shaping Oklahoma’s future.
The Ellens* visit with OSU political science professor Seth McKee about voter turnout, the role of political parties, gerrymandering, and so much more!
25 Sept 2026
Understanding SQ845 & SQ847 (with Julia Kirt)
The Ellens* are joined by OK Senate Minority Leader Julia Kirt to discuss two very important issues on the November ballot: State Questions 845 & 847.
19 Aug 2026
A Live Show! (with Andy Fugate)
The Ellens* are joined by Rep. Andy Fugate to discuss the upcoming August 25th election and the two state questions that will appear on the ballot (SQ844 and SQ846).
What's covered:
State Question 844 (Property Tax / Ad Valorem Exemptions): The history of Oklahoma's manufacturing tax exemption dating back to the 1980s oil bust, how it works today, and what changes SQ 844 would make to who controls reimbursement dollars for local communities, schools, and county services.
State Question 846 (Voter ID Requirements): Oklahoma's existing voter ID laws (passed in 2011), why this measure would move those requirements from statute into the Constitution, and concerns about potential disenfranchisement of absentee, military, elderly, and disabled voters.
Voter turnout & civic engagement: Oklahoma ranks dead last nationally in voter turnout, the challenges of getting voters to the polls in a closed primary state, and why every vote matters — especially on down-ballot state questions.
Education funding & the state budget: Discussion of Oklahoma's education rankings, the reality behind "historic funding" claims, and how earmarked dollars limit school flexibility.
Magic wand question: Each guest shares the one policy change they'd make with an amenable legislature and governor — from capping the private school tax credit to protecting the initiative petition process to adding the word "quality" to the state Constitution's education clause.
Whether you're a Democrat, Republican, or Independent, these state questions affect every Oklahoman.
Get informed before August 25th!
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