Leonard Williams & Jamaal Williams invite you to join them on Big Dubs, where two NFL players let their off-field passions take center stage.
Leonard is a Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman and Super Bowl LX champion, and Jamaal is a veteran NFL running back known league-wide for his energy. Both are football players whose off-field passions and personalities are must-see for fans.
Big Dubs is where their fandom lives: anime debates, Pokémon and Magic: The Gathering talk, pack openings, tier lists, and real conversations about trading card strategy and deck-building. But don't worry, football fans, Leonard and Jamaal will be chatting about current news in the NFL too. Guests will join in as well, from fellow NFL players to friends who share the same fandoms.
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DeMarcus Lawrence on Anime, Dallas, Seattle & His Last Season in the NFL
Leonard “Big Cat” Williams is back alongside Jamaal “1st Swagg Kazekage” Williams, and they’re joined by Leonard’s Seahawks teammate DeMarcus Lawrence.
DeMarcus gets into the move from Dallas to Seattle, what still drives him after winning a Super Bowl, and why retirement has been on his mind since 2020.
Then it turns, as it always does, to everything else. DeMarcus is a real anime nerd, and explains why he’d rather play gas station and trucker simulators than get cooked by kids in Fortnite. Marvel vs DC comes up, and Leonard ends up casting all three of them as Marvel characters.
Jamaal also talks about holding a Lions rushing record that belonged to Barry Sanders for 30 years, and whether he expects it to survive. Plus Super Saiyan of the week and a look ahead to Seattle’s primetime matchup with Kansas City.
Will Jamaal’s record stand another 30 years? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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15 Oct 2026
Allen Lazard on Aaron Rodgers, Going Undrafted & Why Cards Are Like Stocks
Jamaal “1st Swagg Kazekage” Williams runs Episode 9 without Leonard and brings in former Green Bay teammate Allen Lazard.
The two get back into their Packers days: the Saturday walkthroughs, what the huddle was actually like with Aaron Rodgers running it, and the running joke that Green Bay had nowhere decent to eat. Allen also talks about going undrafted out of Iowa State and a first day on the Jacksonville practice squad that started with blocking Calais Campbell.
Allen also explains why he treats cards like stock, why a Pikachu is a safer hold than an athlete, and why you are better off buying the single than ripping the pack.
Jamaal handles the rest solo, including a pump-up speech for BYU ahead of Notre Dame and the debut of a new segment about the things that grind his gears.
What grinds your gears? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:39 - Welcome Back to Big Dubs
01:31 - Jamaal’s Pump-Up Speech for BYU
06:47 - Super Saiyan of the Week
09:14 - Grinds My Gears: The Left Lane
13:04 - Meet Allen Lazard
16:31 - Green Bay, Rodgers & Going Undrafted
31:19 - Why Cards Are Just Stocks
52:18 - NBA Pack Opening
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8 Oct 2026
Explaining Magic: The Gathering in Football Terms & Picking the One Anime Universe We’d Live in Forever
It's Magic, anime, and Pokémon in Episode 8 with Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams.
Leonard teaches Jamaal Magic by turning all five colors into football positions. Jamaal takes black on the spot, plans to add blue once he is good enough, and gets assigned five terms to study before the next lesson: mana, tap, library, graveyard, and permanent.
Jamaal also finishes Attack on Titan season 2 and gets into Reiner and Bertholdt, Ymir, and why he wants a wife like Mikasa. Then both pick the one anime universe they would live in for the rest of their life, Jamaal taking Black Clover for the magic and Leonard taking Pokémon.
Leonard wins the coin flip and rips a Magic: The Gathering | The Hobbit Collector Booster, hitting one of the set's most sought-after cards.
Which anime universe would you live in for the rest of your life? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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1 Oct 2026
Nerd Culture Is THE Culture Now ft. VeeFriends Founder Gary Vee
In Episode 7, Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams are joined by entrepreneur Gary Vaynerchuk, who runs VaynerMedia, co-founded VaynerSports, and created VeeFriends.
Gary tells the story of arriving from the Soviet Union, finding football and entrepreneurship in the same summer, and deciding by fourth grade that he was going to own the Jets instead of play for them. He and Leonard go back to 2015 draft night, when Gary and AJ Vaynerchuk were in the crowd in Chicago losing it as the Jets took Leonard off the board.
Leonard and Jamaal rip VeeFriends packs while Gary explains the pulls as they come, and Jamaal hits a $250 card. Like Cassius Marsh did in Episode 6, Gary makes the case that nerd culture is the culture now.
Leonard also gets into the Seahawks' first loss in a long time, plus the hype speech of Jamaal's he found while scrolling before the game: if you're gonna piss like a puppy, stay on the porch.
Would you rather own an NFL team or play for one? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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25 Sept 2026
The Nerds Have the Money Now ft. NFL Vet Cassius Marsh
In Episode 6, Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams welcome their first guest, eight-year NFL veteran Cassius Marsh. He's been playing Magic: The Gathering since he was 11, and now he owns Cash Cards Unlimited.
The three of them look back on their time around the league, and Cassius explains why the Seattle D-line room he came up in is the thing he misses most about it. Leonard and Jamaal get into their own favorite stops, and all three land on the same conclusion: the organization you end up in can decide how good you get to be.
Cassius breaks down the $150,000 Black Lotus and the graded Mind Stone he's sitting on with a $60,000 offer he can't decide whether to take. It turns into a bigger point about who has money now: the kids who grew up on Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh, spending it on the stuff they loved back then.
There's also the story of the night $20,000 in Magic cards and his playbook got stolen out of his truck in Seattle. The whole thing ended up on ESPN because nobody could believe an NFL player collected cards.
Our guest gets the honors on the pack rip this week, closing the show with Magic: The Gathering | The Hobbit.
Would you take the $60K? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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17 Sept 2026
Seahawks Week 1 Dubs & Why Kenneth Walker Is Krillin
In Episode 5, Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams recap a Week 1 that opened with a Super Bowl rematch and came down to a backup quarterback.
Leonard breaks down the Seahawks' win over New England: losing Sam Darnold on the opening drive, why he thinks Drew Lock is the best backup quarterback in the league, and how nobody on the sideline blinked while they were down 10-0. Plus what a defense is actually chasing in the highest-scoring Week 1 the league has ever had.
Then they hand out the Week 1 running back award to Kenneth Walker III, who Leonard says was out there looking like Krillin. They check in on their college teams, BYU and USC, and both react to Derrick Barnes and his son showing up in matching Spider-Man suits.
On the anime side, there's no Attack on Titan update this week, but there is Smiling Friends, an Akira meme neither of them can stop quoting, and a coin flip that sends Jamaal back to slapping packs.
Which NFL player is your Krillin? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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10 Sept 2026
Magic: The Gathering 101 with a Super Bowl Champ
In Episode 4, Leonard "Big Cat" Williams gives Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams his first real Magic: The Gathering lesson. Leonard walks through the colors, the Commander format, and what a 99-card deck built around a single commander actually looks like.
He pulls out his own mono-green deck on the top-down camera, deals an opening hand, then sends Jamaal home with homework: find a commander you actually want to build around.
Then it's the coin flip and a Pokémon pack opening, plus the question that should be simple and never is: if you could have one Pokémon in real life, which would it be?
Which commander should Jamaal pick? Let us know in the comments.
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3 Sept 2026
Leonard's Contract Extension & We Draft a Team From Anime, Magic, and Pokémon
Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "1st Swagg Kazekage" Williams open Episode 3 with Leonard's new contract extension, and what it meant to have his family in the room when it happened.
Leonard talks about wanting to stay in Seattle and how camp has him feeling heading into a Super Bowl rematch in Week 1. Jamaal checks back in on Attack on Titan, now 31 episodes deep, with strong opinions about Eren, Mikasa, Reiner, and Bertholdt.
Then they run the Ultimate Football Draft: a full starting lineup built entirely from anime, Magic: The Gathering, and Pokémon characters. Would Beast Titan make a good QB?
Then they move onto the coin flip…with Jamaal finally winning one and opening a pack of Pokémon Astral Radiance.
Whose draft team actually wins? Let us know in the comments. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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27 Aug 2026
Our All-Time Top 5 Anime & the Vets Who Shaped Our Careers
Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "Swag Kazekage" Williams talk about the veterans who taught them how to be pros, and what they'd tell a rookie grinding through late-August camp right now.
Leonard explains how he grew into the OG of the locker room, and shouts out some Jets legends who set that example for him, including but not limited to Darrelle Revis. Jamaal pays homage to the Packers who set his standard, from Jordy Nelson to Aaron Rodgers, and shares the Duce Staley line he still carries: "Adversity visits the strong, but stays forever with the weak."
Leonard & Jamaal also read your Episode 1 comments and count down their all-time top five anime. They debate whether live-action anime adaptations are a gateway or a betrayal, then flip a coin again to see who rips a pack of cards.
Two NFL vets talking football and anime! Drop a comment, and they might read it next week. Welcome back to Big Dubs!
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - Welcome to Big Dubs
01:36 - Reading YouTube Comments
03:27 - Our Top 5 Anime Shows
09:44 - Off The Field & Being A Nerd
12:50 - Leonard Explains the Stormtrooper Helmet
15:11 - Rookie Advice & the Vets Who Shaped Our Careers
20:03 - Stepping Into a Leadership Role
24:08 - Jamaal Reacts to Attack On Titan
26:26 - Our Opinions on Live-Action Anime Adaptations
29:24 - Coin Flip & TCG Pack Opening
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20 Aug 2026
The NFL's Two Biggest Anime Nerds Finally Have A Podcast
Leonard "Big Cat" Williams and Jamaal "Swag Kazekage" Williams launch the debut episode of Big Dubs with Leonard's first offseason as a Super Bowl LX champion, and the ring to prove it.
Leonard opens up about what filming Hard Knocks with the Seahawks has actually been like, and how fatherhood has changed his mindset and approach. Jamaal provides an update on chasing his next roster spot, plus a full introduction to his cats, who steal the episode.
Leonard & Jamaal also get into the origin stories behind their nicknames, blind-rank five popular anime shows, and flip a coin to settle who rips a pack: Leonard on the newly released Magic: The Gathering | The Hobbit collection, or Jamaal on a Pokémon Black Bolt booster pack.
If you've ever argued a tier list, chased a card, or stayed up too late finishing an anime show, this is the podcast for you. Welcome to Big Dubs!
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:35 - Welcome to Big Dubs
03:09 - Leonard Shows Super Bowl Ring
05:16 - Hard Knocks Discussion
07:26 - 2026 Goals
10:50 - The Story of the Warrior in the Garden
14:30 - Off-The-Field
19:30 - How Leonard and Jamaal Got Their Nicknames
25:44 - What Anime We're Watching
29:04 - Blind Ranking Anime
38:11 - Anime: Sub vs. Dub
39:39 - Pack Opening
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17 Aug 2026
Welcome to Big Dubs!
Join Leonard Williams & Jamaal Williams each Thursday as they break down the latest in football, anime, TCG, Pokémon, Magic: The Gathering, and more!
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