Cabernet and Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about the Bible, deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside of the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or you've wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.
This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions such as:
*How do I make sense of my faith with all of my doubts?
*Can I still follow Jesus if I have issues with the church?
*Do I have to choose between my questions and my faith?
*What do I do with the parts of the Bible that trouble me?
*Where do I go when the Christianity I inherited stops working?
*Am I allowed to read the Bible outside of the interpretations I grew up with?
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Jeremy Jernigan, Christian Deconstruction Pastor
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A Guide for Spiritual Refugees (The Book of Job Pt. 8 with David Gushee) | Ep. 87
I've been on the ash heap with the Book of Job for eight weeks, and this week the author of Job in Exile: A Guide for Spiritual Refugees, Dr. David Gushee, joins me to close it out. Gushee was once America's leading evangelical ethicist, and after he wrote Changing Our Minds, the community he helped build pushed him out. He reads Job as a story that works like a parable. We take on Job 42:6, the verse where the Hebrew is so tangled that scholars disagree on whether Job repents at all, and Gushee explains why he doesn't buy the version most translations give us. If you've ever been told your questions were the problem, Job may have been on your side all along.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/HFFSJQhR6bc (https://youtu.be/HFFSJQhR6bc)
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Listen to my new short story audiobook called Loving God More. It's about a 15yo boy who tells his Christians parents he's gay. Neither of them knows how to handle it when an anonymous letter arrives with only one word. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more)
You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ (https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/)
Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community)
Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in)
Links:
https://link.amazon/B063CH5xV (https://link.amazon/B063CH5xV)
https://davidpgushee.substack.com/ (https://davidpgushee.substack.com/)
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23 Sept 2026
What God Says When You Demand an Answer (The Book of Job Pt. 7) | Ep. 86
For seven weeks, Job has been waiting for God to answer him. In part seven of the Job in Exile series, God finally shows up in the whirlwind and then wants to talk about lions, ravens, mountain goats, and two creatures that sound like they wandered off a monster movie set (yes, we get into whether Behemoth is a dinosaur, complete with a disturbingly catchy children's song). God never answers a single one of Job's questions about his suffering. If God actually blesses Job's questioning and protest at the end rather than his surrender, that reshapes how we bring our own hard questions to God. Pour a glass and sit with one of the strangest, most beautiful endings in the Bible.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/lPIXQHMSGjk (https://youtu.be/lPIXQHMSGjk)
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My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ (https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/)
Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community)
Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in)
16 Sept 2026
Offering Answers the Story Refuses (The Book of Job Pt. 6) | Ep. 85
Just when you'd expect the Book of Job to reach its climax, a new character barges in. Elihu is young, angry, and completely certain he has the explanation everyone else somehow missed. In part six of the Job in Exile series, we see Elihu do the one thing the story keeps refusing to do: he shows up with a confident answer. The uncomfortable part is how familiar he sounds in many churches today. This episode argues that your posture around your faith matters more than the beliefs you hold within it, drawing on the apostle Paul, Brian McLaren, and decades of research suggesting it's fundamentalism, not orthodoxy, that tracks with prejudice.
Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/hVxsZ69QFwo (https://youtu.be/hVxsZ69QFwo)
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My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ (https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/)
Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community)
Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in (https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in)
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