Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.
Cabernet and Pray
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Cabernet & Pray is a podcast for people who still have questions about Jesus but have complicated feelings about the church and Christianity. Hosted by Jeremy Jernigan (a recovering megachurch pastor), each episode pairs a glass of wine with honest conversations about deconstruction, reconstruction, and what it means to explore faith outside the boundaries of the theological mainstream. If you've ever felt like your doubts disqualified you, or wondered whether there's a version of Christianity that can hold your questions without flinching, then you've found your people.
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June 3, 2026
Saints, Sinners, and Clickers (with Matthew Distefano) | Ep. 74
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">What do saints, sinners, and zombies have in common? In this episode, Jeremy sits down with author Matthew DiStefano to talk about his book on The Last of Us, the video game that somehow became one of the most philosophically serious explorations of what it means to be human. This conversation goes places you won't see coming: the MLM structure of Christian nationalism, why empathy is more dangerous than we admit, why our morality is less about our convictions and more about our context, and what it feels like to play a character you hate, only to discover you've started rooting for them. You don't need to be a gamer. You need to be someone who's ever wondered what you'd actually do when the world falls apart.</p> <p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">Watch the episode on video: <a href="https://youtu.be/tGczdlIaiPw">https://youtu.be/tGczdlIaiPw</a> </p> <p><span>-----------------</span></p> <p>My new book, <strong>The Edge of the Inside</strong>, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: <a href="https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/">https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/</a></p> <p><span>Join the <strong>online community</strong> and get access to exclusive content and experiences: </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community</a></p> <p>Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free <strong>Deconstruction Field Guide</strong>. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.<span> </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in</a><span> </span></p>
May 20, 2026
The Feral Spirit (with Ben Price) | Ep. 73
<p>Ben introduces the idea of the "feral spirit," a way of understanding spiritual encounter that doesn't require institutional scaffolding to be real. He talks about what happens when churches try to manufacture the Spirit's presence instead of simply making space for it, the difference between rituals that help us remember and rituals that help us control, and why a thousand dolphins playing in the ocean off Santa Barbara is actually a decent theology of joy. There's poetry, there's a 26-year-old Bordeaux, there's Walter Brueggemann on the freedom of God, and somehow it all holds together. If you've ever felt like the Spirit left the building long before you did, this one is for you.</p> <p>Watch the episode on video: <a href="https://youtu.be/xWAjix_cyVo">https://youtu.be/xWAjix_cyVo</a> </p> <p><span>-----------------</span></p> <p>My new book, <strong>The Edge of the Inside</strong>, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: <a href="https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/">https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/</a></p> <p><span>Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community</a></p> <p>Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free <strong>Deconstruction Field Guide</strong>. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.<span> </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in</a><span> </span></p> <p><span>Join us for the <strong>Wine and Whiskey trip</strong> in Oregon on September 25-27: <a href="https://communionwineco.com/events/wine-and-whiskey/">https://communionwineco.com/events/wine-and-whiskey/</a> </span></p>
May 6, 2026
The Congruent Life (with C.E. Jarnagin) | Ep. 72
<p>What do you do when the very people who introduced you to Jesus can no longer recognize the Jesus your faith has led you to? C.E. Jarnagin is a priest, researcher, and author who's asking that exact question in his new book The Congruent Life, and he brings a rare combination of Anglican liturgy, pastoral honesty, and zero tolerance for religious veneer to the conversation. In this episode, Jeremy and Chad work through what it looks like to hold your full humanity inside a faith community, why Christian nationalism and the Jesus of the Gospels are not remotely the same, and how a small church of 160 people (including a dozen former pastors) might actually be doing something the megachurch model couldn't. </p> <p>Watch the episode on video: <a href="https://youtu.be/uTzs1Mo9F2c">https://youtu.be/uTzs1Mo9F2c</a> </p> <p><span>-----------------</span></p> <p>My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: <a href="https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/">https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/</a></p> <p><span>Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community</a></p> <p>Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.<span> </span><a href="https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in">https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in</a><span> </span></p> <p><span>Links:</span></p> <ul> <li><span><a href="https://www.instagram.com/chadjarnagin?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==">https://www.instagram.com/chadjarnagin</a></span></li> <li><span><a href="https://www.threads.com/@chadjarnagin">https://www.threads.com/@chadjarnagin</a> </span></li> </ul>
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