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At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care? How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully? Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com. And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.

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Episode thumbnail for Disability, dependency, and care - with Eva Feder Kittay

July 1, 2026

Disability, dependency, and care - with Eva Feder Kittay

<p>How can we ensure that the drive for gender equality acknowledges relationships of dependency and care? What kinds of social policies are needed to ensure that caregivers are properly supported and cared for? What can the experiences of people with disabilities teach us about what constitutes a 'good' life? And is it possible to achieve a balance between autonomy, dependency, and care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay,</a> one of the pioneering voices in feminist care ethics and in the emergent field of the philosophy of disability. Eva is Distinguished Professor Emerita of Philosophy at <a href="https://www.stonybrook.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stony Brook University</a> in New York State, where she taught for many years. She received her bachelor's degree from Sarah Lawrence College in 1967 and went on to receive her doctoral degree from the Graduate Center of the City University of New York in 1978.</p><p>Eva has published numerous articles on the philosophy of language, feminist philosophy, and disability studies, and her work has garnered several honours and prizes. In 1999, Eva published <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Loves-Labor-Essays-on-Women-Equality-and-Dependency/Kittay/p/book/9781138089921" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Love's Labor: Essays on Women and Equality</a>, a groundbreaking work in feminist philosophy, which has become one of the foundational texts of care ethics. Eva's work has been shaped in part by her experience as the mother of Sesha, a woman with significant disabilities, and in 2019 she published her book <a href="https://academic.oup.com/book/36453" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Learning From My Daughter: The Value and Care of Disabled Mind</a><a href="https://academic.oup.com/book/36453" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">s</a>, which was the winner of the 2020 Prose Award for Excellence in Philosophy and which has recently been issued in paperback.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Eva's background as the child of Holocaust survivors, growing up in America in the 1950s and 1960s, and the roots of her vocation as a philosopher (02:37)</p><p>Eva's introduction to feminism and political activism (05:30)</p><p>The story behind Love's Labor (07:55)</p><p>The 'dependency critique' of equality (18:10)</p><p>The caregiver as 'dependency worker' (20:28)</p><p>De-gendering care (22:52)</p><p>'Some mother's child': caring for caregivers (27:18)</p><p>'Connection-based equality', 'nested dependencies', and doulia (30:09)</p><p>The limited role of the state in supporting care and the value of 'caring communities' (33:33)</p><p>How Eva's relationship with her daughter Sesha has shaped her thinking - and the origins of Learning from My Daughter (37:28)</p><p>Combining the personal and the philosophical in the writing process (39:47)</p><p>Challenging conventional notions of what constitutes a 'good' life (42:42)</p><p>Reproductive choice in the context of disability (46:03)</p><p>Independence, dependency, and care ethics (49:30)</p><p>The reception and completion of care (52:18)</p><p>Bodily integrity and the body as a window on the soul (56:13)</p><p>Eva's plan for a follow-up book on personhood and disability (59:00)</p><p><strong>Some of the publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Sex" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simone de Beauvoir, </a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Sex" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Second Sex</a></p><p><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/RUDMTT" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick, </a><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/RUDMTT" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maternal Thinking: Towards a Politics of Peace</a></p><p><a href="https://archive.org/details/womenmoraltheory0000unse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay and Diana T. Myers, </a><a href="https://archive.org/details/womenmoraltheory0000unse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Women and Moral Theory</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Father-Time-Natural-History-Babies/dp/0691238774/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_w=T4riS&amp;content-id=amzn1.sym.5e81eabe-938d-4936-a067-ca199f0f9913&amp;pf_rd_p=5e81eabe-938d-4936-a067-ca199f0f9913&amp;pf_rd_r=522-9100707-7213232&amp;pd_rd_wg=mLBjr&amp;pd_rd_r=cf623df4-b1e2-436c-a4e1-a463ad35c85b" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, </a><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Father-Time-Natural-History-Babies/dp/0691238774/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_w=T4riS&amp;content-id=amzn1.sym.5e81eabe-938d-4936-a067-ca199f0f9913&amp;pf_rd_p=5e81eabe-938d-4936-a067-ca199f0f9913&amp;pf_rd_r=522-9100707-7213232&amp;pd_rd_wg=mLBjr&amp;pd_rd_r=cf623df4-b1e2-436c-a4e1-a463ad35c85b" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Father Time: A Natural History of Men and Babies</a></p><p><strong>Other writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Rawls</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Nussbaum" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martha Nussbaum</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Brison" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susan J. Brison</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/disability-dependency-and-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack newsletter.</p>

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June 1, 2026

Care and the pluriverse - with Maggie FitzGerald

<p>How can we make ethical decisions in a world that includes multiple and diverse forms of life, and what can care ethics contribute to developing a pluriversal ethics? What did the COVID-19 pandemic demonstrate about the nature of human vulnerability? And can violence ever be justified within an ethic of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://artsandscience.usask.ca/profile/MFitzGerald" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maggie FitzGerald.</a> Maggie is an Associate Professor in the Department of Political Studies at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. She has a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics with a specialisation in political economy from St. Thomas University in Fredericton, New Brunswick, and a Master of Arts in Political Economy from Carleton University in Ottawa, where she also completed her doctorate in the Department of Political Science.</p><p>Maggie's research focuses on the ethics of care, global ethics and international political theory, decolonial ethics, normative and critical international relations theory, and feminist political economy. Her work has appeared in journals such as Ethics and Social Welfare, the Journal of International Political Theory, and the International Journal of Care and Caring. Maggie is the author of the book <a href="https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/care-and-the-pluriverse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care and the Pluriverse: Rethinking Global Ethics</a>, which was published by Bristol University Press in 2022. She is also the co-editor with Sophie Bourgault and Fiona Robinson of the collection <a href="https://www.rutgersuniversitypress.org/decentering-epistemologies-and-challenging-privilege/9781978835030" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Decentering Epistemologies and Challenging Privilege: Critical Care Ethics Perspectives</a>, which was published by Rutgers University Press in 2024.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Maggie's professional and academic journey (02:41)</p><p>Feminist theorists who have influenced Maggie's thinking (05:38)</p><p>The 'pluriverse' as concept (07:29)</p><p>Introducing Care and the Pluriverse (08:30)</p><p>Using case studies from indigenous contexts (09:45)</p><p>Decentering global ethics (12:20)</p><p>A critique of modernity (16:12)</p><p>Towards a critical, political ethics of care (17:53)</p><p>COVID-19, vulnerability and the ethics of care (21:41)</p><p>Combining Lacan, Žižek and care ethics(24:20)</p><p>Decentering the self, decentering care (26:50)</p><p>Violence, trauma, care and repair (33:20)</p><p>Love and care (41:43)</p><p>Maggie's plans for a new book on care and repair (47:20)</p><p><strong>Writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://carleton.ca/polisci/people/robinson-fiona/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fiona Robinson</a></p><p><a href="https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/view/profile/members/1010?lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Bourgault</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tiina-Vaittinen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tiina Vaittenen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Riikka-Prattes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Riikka Prattes</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/vrinda-dalmiya" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vrinda Dalmiya</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Hutchings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kimberly Hutchings</a></p><p><a href="https://victoria.academia.edu/KateSchick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Schick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://www.marisoldelacadena.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marisol de la Cadena</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Lacan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jacques Lacan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_%C5%BDi%C5%BEek" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slavoj Žižek</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvati_Raghuram" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Parvati Raghuram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Sacha-Ghandeharian-2171774910" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sacha Ghandeharian</a></p><p><a href="https://place.education.wisc.edu/blog/people/snider-naomi/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Naomi Snider</a></p><p><a href="https://pdx.academia.edu/MFlower" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Flowers</a></p><p><a href="https://www.wellesley.edu/people/catia-cecilia-confortini" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catia Confortini</a></p><p><a href="https://www.abigailruane.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Ruane</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frantz Fanon</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Fraser" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nancy Fraser</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/remembering-elena-pulcini-philosopher-of-care/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elena Pulcini</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bell hooks</a></p><p><strong>Journal articles by Maggie discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://bristoluniversitypressdigital.com/view/journals/ijcc/6/1-2/article-p33.xml" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">COVID-19, the trauma of the "real" and the political import of vulnerability'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2409-9287/7/3/64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Violence and Care: Fanon and the Ethics of Care on Harm, Trauma, and Repair'</a></p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://epublications.marquette.edu/marq_fac-book/46/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker, </a><a href="https://epublications.marquette.edu/marq_fac-book/46/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Moral Understandings: A Feminist Study in Ethics</a></p><p><a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/knowing-loving-caring" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Robb, 'Knowing, loving, caring: some questions, connections and reflections' (Substack post)</a></p><p><strong>Link</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.cerc2026.org/index.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics Research Consortium</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-and-the-pluriverse-with-maggie" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack newsletter.</p>

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May 4, 2026

Care ethics, education, and democracy - with Adriana Jesenková

<p>What insights can care ethics contribute that will help in improving the education system? How can education prepare students to be caring citizens and support the development of a 'caring democracy'? And what role should sex and relationships education play in that process?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.upjs.sk/FF/zamestnanec/adriana.jesenkova/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adriana Jesenková</a>. Adriana studied history and philosophy at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comenius_University" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Comenius University</a> in Bratislava, Slovakia, and she is now an Associate Professor of Philosophy in the Faculty of Arts at <a href="https://www.upjs.sk/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pavol Jozef Šafárik University</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C5%A1ice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Košice</a>, in eastern Slovakia, where her research has explored issues of care, power, and justice in the education system and in medical practice, from the perspective of feminist care ethics.</p><p>In 2016 Adriana published a monograph in Slovak on The Ethics of Care (<a href="https://www.academia.edu/32171011/etika_starostlivosti_jesenkova_pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Etika Starostlivosti</a>) and since then has published numerous journal articles, in both Slovak and English, applying a care ethical perspective to subjects as diverse as the educational system in Slovakia, sex education, and the challenges posed by a fragmented and polarised society.</p><p>I was first introduced to Adriana’s work when we both contributed to the edited collection on <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/pdf/9789042946552.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions</a>, which was published by Peeters in 2022. I was also interested to see that Adriana had contributed a chapter to the 2020 volume on <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-41437-5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics, Democratic Citizenship and the State</a>, which was co-edited by Petr Urban, who was my guest in <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-phenomenology-and-play-with-petr-urban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 4 </a>of the podcast.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Adriana's personal and professional journey to studying and teaching philosophy (02:36)</p><p>Adriana's introduction to feminist care ethics and its importance for her work (09:05)</p><p>The influence of Joan Tronto on Adriana's thinking (13:55)</p><p>Applying care ethics to education (16:35)</p><p>The recent history of Slovakia, with particular reference to education (16:45)</p><p>The deficit of democratic care in the Slovak education system (25:56)</p><p>Education for care (30:33)</p><p>Adriana's research and writing on sex and relationships education (33:46)</p><p>Sex education, the family, and the state (41:39)</p><p>Caring for intergenerational relations in a time of fragmentation: the role of philosophy and literature (48:03)</p><p>Adriana's current work empowering civil society in eastern Slovakia and her plans for writing a new book on care ethics for a Slovak audience (59:55)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Adriana's articles in English</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/humaff-2018-0016/html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Research and educational potential of feminist care ethics in sex education</a>' (2018)</p><p>'<a href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-41437-5_13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deficit of democratic care in the educational system in Slovakia</a>' (2020)</p><p>'<a href="https://www.academia.edu/63672972/Gender_equality_as_a_matter_of_care_for_the_caring_university_" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gender equality as a matter of care for the "caring university</a>"' (2021)</p><p>'<a href="https://www.pragmatismtoday.eu/summer2025/How-to-Care-Better-for-Intergenerational-Relations-in-the-Time-of-Fragmentation-Jesenkova.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How to care better for intergenerational relations in the time of fragmentation'</a> (2025)</p><p><strong>Other publications referred to in the episode</strong></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003070672/moral-boundaries-joan-tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Moral Boundaries: A Political Argument for an Ethic of Care</a></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt9qgfvp" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality, and Justice</a></p><p>Etela Farkašová, <a href="https://www.litcentrum.sk/dielo/zachrana-sveta-podla-g" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Záchrana sveta podľa G. </a>(Saving the world according to G.)</p><p><strong>Writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Epicurus</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etela_Farka%C5%A1ov%C3%A1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Etela Farkašová </a></p><p><a href="https://gender.fhs.cuni.cz/KGS-22.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zuzana Kiczková</a></p><p><a href="https://fphil.uniba.sk/en/departments-and-research-centres/department-of-philosophy-and-history-of-philosophy/staff/doc-phdr-mariana-szapuova-phd/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mariana Szapuová </a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rorty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Richard Rorty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-ethics-education-and-democracy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>

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