‘The pace of change will never be this slow again’
Whether we like it or not Change is happening. It’s how we respond to Change that defines us. Join me for the ultimate insight into how professionals highly qualified in Change embrace it, tackle it and succeed in the face of it.
Change Is a Design Problem: Why Organisations Get Stuck ft Dr Dani Chesson
On this episode of the Change It Podcast, Eloise, founder of Change It Talent, the leading change recruitment agency, sits down with Dr Dani Chesson, author of Unstuckified, host of the Design Thinker Podcast, and a transformation practitioner who started her career as a graphic designer.
Dani spent her early career inside banking transformation, watching change fail and seeing it through a designer's eyes. That led to a PhD, years of testing ideas with real clients, and one question: what if change management is actually a design problem?
Her research found organisations everywhere caught in the same perfect storm. Our brains haven't evolved at the pace of technology. Our organisations are still built like factories. And the world is now both VUCA and BANI. In this conversation, she explains how to get unstuck.
In this episode we cover:
The three forces that keep organisations "stuckified", and why there's no single root cause
Why a plan makes our brains feel in control, and why that's an illusion
How to give regulators the plan they need while designing for real human behaviour
Dani's four moves: a courageous vision, tiny steps that build momentum, alleviating pain, and activating learning inside the work
"Survival adoption", and why AI is an identity threat leaders need to talk about
How to use AI as a thought partner by getting it to play your stakeholders
If you're a change practitioner who suspects your beloved frameworks are starting to creak, this conversation offers a fresh, practical and very human lens.
Links:
www.changeittalent.com (http://www.changeittalent.com/)
Unstuckified by Dr Dani Chesson: https://www.unstuckifyed.com/
Dani on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danichessonphd/
The Design Thinker Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2128420
16 Sept 2026
Change Management's Future is Human Skills, Not Process Ft Melanie Franklin
On this episode of the Change It Podcast, Eloise, founder of Change It Talent, the leading change recruitment agency, sits down with Melanie Franklin, an internationally recognised change management author and researcher whose Global Capability for Change Survey has tracked the state of the profession for five years running.
Mel has spent years watching how organisations actually deliver change, and right now she's watching the ground shift under the profession itself. AI has cracked change wide open: individuals and teams are experimenting and innovating without any formal change mandate, "forward deployed engineers" are moving fast on systems and data with no interest in people or process, and centralised change functions are being disbanded in favour of leaner, embedded teams.There's a shift Mel says the profession can't afford to ignore: change management's own value is in decline, and the old linear playbook wasn't built for a world where change is happening everywhere, all the time. In this conversation, she explains why.In this episode we cover:
Why AI-driven, bottom-up change is bypassing change management entirely - and what that means for the profession
What "forward deployed engineers" are, and why they're reshaping in-the-moment tech change without touching people or process
Why linear change models are struggling to keep up with democratised, simultaneous change
Why centralised CMOs are being disbanded in Australia, and what's replacing the "head of change" role
Why curiosity - not process - is becoming the change capability leaders are hiring for
A preview of Mel's fifth annual Global Capability for Change Survey, and how the data can help you evidence the value of change
If you're a change professional wondering where you fit in an AI-driven, bottom-up world, this conversation is a sharp, honest read on what's coming next.
Links:
www.changeittalent.com
Links to the Global Annual Change Survey:
https://forms.cloud.microsoft/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=Zpzu8-b71Uab-fA16wsoHOcxMuQTBRFAtKszA2hk_3pUNDIzRjhKOVFRSkM5Q1dLUUNYSUZIWFNQVS4u&route=shorturl (https://www.linkedin.com/safety/go/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforms%2Ecloud%2Emicrosoft%2Fpages%2Fresponsepage%2Easpx%3Fid%3DZpzu8-b71Uab-fA16wsoHOcxMuQTBRFAtKszA2hk_3pUNDIzRjhKOVFRSkM5Q1dLUUNYSUZIWFNQVS4u%26route%3Dshorturl&urlhash=JZpD&mt=3Il9Lbrs5pldJqwmgjd0CYDlR7VvZAMyqgc56Lt582V-9CnO_AMLWTKF8FVkit7Ch8Ts2LvtsDqeCReBnzdJIlw9Fr1U0aTtSsMhXswe6kWa9OAKQiXjQ5hdaAulaPcHbLpgYMDJ8blHoBjef7zMRBvZZHZynbTCew&isSdui=true)
Mel Franklin's Website:
https://capabilityforchange.com/
1 Sept 2026
Emergence: The C-Suite's Best Kept Secret ft Tamsin Jones
On this episode of the Change It Podcast, Eloise, founder of Change It Talent, the leading change recruitment agency, sits down with Tamsin Jones, a systems change and leadership consultant who has spent 25 years in the rooms where big change actually happens, government strategy sessions, boardrooms, leadership programs and funded convenings across Australia, the UK and Africa.
Tamsin runs the Master of Business and Empathy and co-founded a gender lens investing network with Australians Investing in Women, and she's spent the last four years helping leaders navigate what she calls the next economy.
There's a word CEOs and boards use quietly, if they use it at all: emergence. Tamsin says it might be the most underrated leadership skill of this moment, and in this conversation she explains why.
In this episode we cover:
What emergence actually is, and why the C-suite is talking about it without naming it out loud
Why command and control leadership is an illusion, and what that means once AI enters the picture
Why "not knowing" can be a leadership strength rather than a weakness
Why grief is part of navigating change, and what happens when leaders skip it
How empathy is showing up in boardrooms, government strategy and AI adoption
What Tamsin learned from Taiwan's former digital minister Audrey Tang about trust and participation
If you're a leader feeling some cognitive dissonance about where things are headed, this conversation will feel like a very honest debrief.
Links:
www.tamsinjones.com (https://www.linkedin.com/safety/go?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tamsinjones.com%2F&trk=flagship-messaging-web&messageThreadUrn=urn%3Ali%3AmessagingThread%3A2-MjYxZGU3OTYtMmE1Yi00NzkyLWJiYWMtNmYzOGMxMDc1ZmMyXzEwMA%3D%3D&lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_messaging_conversation_detail%3BW22g7UWnTZ%2BagwM9T4gOqQ%3D%3D)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsinjones/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsinjones/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij2UtkjFtRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij2UtkjFtRc)
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