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Circling The Drain

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by John E. Bozeman & Jay Harper

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Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general! Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer. John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine. Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records. Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world. Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co

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July 29, 2026

Jesse & Noah Bellamy: Sunshine Shop, Sibling Harmony and Keeping Country Real :: Ep 49 Circling the Drain Podcast

<p>Circling the Drain welcomes brothers Jesse and Noah Bellamy to talk about their new album Sunshine Shop, the Bellamy family legacy, and why the best songs are “imperfectly perfect.” They dive into growing up on a Florida cattle ranch, watching their dad and uncle (the Bellamy Brothers) build a career, and carving out their own sound rooted in harmony, story songs, and live-band energy instead of over-gridded perfection.</p><p>The conversation hits everything from AI in music and the future of live performance to Nashville’s changing skyline, vinyl nostalgia, DIY video strategy, and surviving horse-drawn chaos on Broadway. Jesse and Noah also perform two songs live in-studio, showcasing the sibling blend and storytelling that set them apart.</p><p>Timed highlights</p><p> [00:01:36] Introducing Jesse and Noah Bellamy and their new album Sunshine Shop<br> [00:02:28] Growing up on a Florida cattle ranch and the real history of American cowboys<br> [00:03:35] The Bellamy Brothers’ LA era, Let Your Love Flow and returning to Florida/Nashville<br> [00:05:08] How the brother act formed and why only two of the five brothers play publicly<br> [00:07:17] Instruments, overdubs and moving from one-man-band recordings to cutting live<br> [00:08:10] Building a core band, recording Sunshine Shop live and working with Zach Kasik at Wildfeather<br> [00:09:29] Knowing when a track is “right,” re-cutting I Told a Lie after playing it live<br> [00:10:49] Recycling and reviving older songs, the idea of a future live album<br> [00:11:26] Splitting lyrics and melody, trading demos and building a 50-song folder<br> [00:11:44] Why one of the next tracks has to be a Christmas song, and the video/show domino effect<br> [00:12:25] Getting into the Christmas spirit in 90-degree weather and George Strait studio stories<br> [00:12:34] Writing from a young age to avoid cover songs and find their own style<br> [00:13:40] Songwriting influence from their dad David Bellamy and the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame<br> [00:14:39] Wordsmithing influences from Dylan, Van Morrison, Neil Young, Beatles, Paul Simon, Bob McDill and Don Williams<br> [00:15:21] Too Dumb for New York City, Too Ugly for L.A. and working with Riders in the Sky on “This Old Cowboys”<br> [00:16:21] Deep cowboy music history and why Riders in the Sky are the genre’s custodians<br> [00:17:02] Bringing Tess Frizell in for a duet and the power of second-generation country artists<br> [00:18:36] Handling comparisons to the Bellamy Brothers and why they want people to come hear their songs<br> [00:20:09] The Bellamy last name: blessing, curse or both and the rarity of sibling duos today<br> [00:21:36] The only duo that never broke up and joking about Florida Georgia Line<br> [00:21:43] Brotherly disagreements, hypothetical fights and thrown instruments<br> [00:22:49] Setting up to play in-studio and joking about royalty payments and homemade pickles<br> [00:23:31] Live performance: “Line of Rose” (murder ballad… but not really)<br> [00:27:10] Reacting to the performance: harmonies, picking and evolving arrangements<br> [00:27:48] Re-cutting “Line of Rose” from bluegrass to rock for the new record<br> [00:28:23] Traditional song inspiration from “Rain and Snow” and public domain bluegrass<br> [00:29:10] “This can’t be happening” moments and Noah getting hit by a horse on Broadway<br> [00:30:21] Runaway horse, detached carriage and chaos in downtown Nashville<br> [00:30:36] Click tracks, playing to the grid and why they prefer live band feel<br> [00:31:15] AI, Suno and fake artists that sound great but aren’t real<br> [00:31:44] Why live shows and human feel matter even more in an AI era<br> [00:32:04] Returning full-circle to imperfectly perfect records like Dave Clark Five<br> [00:33:15] Balancing studio vs live, using the road as a laboratory for songs<br> [00:34:49] DIY artist reality: limited budgets, choosing between radio campaigns and social media promotion<br> [00:35:21] Is radio still important and how to split focus between radio, video and streaming<br> [00:36:11] YouTube vs Spotify, AXS TV support and making iPhone-shot videos with Nita<br> [00:37:21] Vinyl as a tactile experience, fans buying records as art and mementos<br> [00:38:24] WMOT, WSM and pockets of Americana and country radio support<br> [00:38:47] How much more complex promo is now than “just radio and TV”<br> [00:39:20] Jesse’s Instagram and social strategy and bringing Nita in as a stealth content creator<br> [00:40:22] Thoughts on social media snippets and giving away song samples on TikTok/Reels<br> [00:41:02] Discovering Jesse and Noah at Deborah Evans Price’s guitar-pull parties<br> [00:42:24] The magic of Deborah’s gatherings, gumbo, community and meeting their drummer there<br> [00:43:51] Artists they listen to now, Megadeth “stealing” their video location and Charlie Rich<br> [00:45:14] Digging deeper into gospel cuts of “Farther Along” for Deborah Allen’s gospel night<br> [00:46:18] Franklin Theatre challenges and weeknight ticket realities<br> [00:46:50] Hair products, beard care and “looks-maxxing” as a musician<br> [00:47:46] Shooting photo sessions in your 40s and the cigar/beard spokesman jokes<br> [00:48:49] Touring realities, regional routing and a potential Mexico trip<br> [00:49:40] Favorite Nashville room: Brown’s Diner, burgers, old beer license and Derby bets<br> [00:50:58] Soccer, non-sports musicians, marching band and early instrument stories<br> [00:52:00] From saxophone to drums and finally making peace with being “a drummer, not a musician”<br> [00:53:22] Motives for becoming a front person and old band war stories<br> [00:55:00] Songwriter community on Music Row and mostly writing for themselves<br> [00:55:35] TikTok, trolls and turning “beer, beer, truck, truck, dirt, dirt” into a hit idea<br> [00:56:28] Why Nashville still works: community, collaboration and creativity<br> [00:57:00] Austin as a sister city and how both scenes have changed<br> [00:57:24] Losing historic studios like Sound Shop and the condo-ization of Music Row<br> [00:58:53] Sunshine Shop cover concept and capturing a building before it disappears<br> [00:59:42] Nashville skyline then vs now and the Ryman’s near-ruin era<br> [01:00:02] Seeing metal and shock rock at the Ryman: Anthrax, Alice Cooper and Ted Nugent<br> [01:01:10] Loudest shows ever and changing approaches to live sound<br> [01:02:01] From wall-of-amps to silent stages and in-ears: feeling vs hearing<br> [01:02:26] Alex Van Halen, ear damage and monitor levels creeping up over a tour<br> [01:02:32] Dream venues: Tampa Theatre, Temple Theater in Portland and more<br> [01:03:38] New venues: Harkin Hall (Madison) and The Truth (Wedgewood-Houston)<br> [01:03:53] Live Nation, AEG, Ryman ownership changes and ticket economics<br> [01:05:06] Wrapping up and defending Nashville’s creative vibe amid rapid growth<br> [01:05:35] Sunshine Shop plug: why every home should have a copy<br> [01:06:21] Setting up one more live song to play out the episode<br> [01:06:40] Live performance: “I Told a Lie”<br> [01:10:14] Everly Brothers vibes, closing thanks and final Sunshine Shop push<br> [01:10:39] Where to find Circling the Drain: Facebook, YouTube, circlingthedrain.net and audio platforms<br> [01:10:48] Where to find Jesse and Noah: website, socials and streaming services</p><p><br> Jesse &amp; Noah: jesseandnoah.com<br> </p><p><strong><br>Follow Johnny B:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/john.e.bozeman"><strong>https://www.facebook.com/john.e.bozeman</strong></a></p>

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July 22, 2026

Nashville Politics, Nantucket Sharks and Comedy Wars w/Adam Dread :: Ep 48 Circling the Drain Podcast

Host Johnny B and J. Harper interview Nashville legend Adam Dred about politics, sharks, and comedy wars, offering insights into his diverse career and life experiences.

Episode thumbnail for The Real Lives of David Allan Coe’s Daughters – Tanya Montana & Shelli Coe :: Ep 47 Circling the Drain Podcast

July 15, 2026

The Real Lives of David Allan Coe’s Daughters – Tanya Montana & Shelli Coe :: Ep 47 Circling the Drain Podcast

Johnny B, Jay Harper, and Jim McCarthy interview David Allan Coe's daughters, Tanya Montana and Shelli Coe, as they share intimate family stories and clarify their father's legacy.

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What is Circling The Drain?

Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general!

Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer.

John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine.

Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records.

Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world.

Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co

How often does this podcast release new episodes?

This podcast updates daily.

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