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July 10, 2026
John Vervaeke & Guy Sengstock: Why Modernity Can't See the Sacred Anymore
Dr. John Vervaeke and Guy Sengstock explore how modernity obscures the sacred, discussing Vervaeke's course trilogy and Sengstock's insights on relational practice and contemplative philosophy.
June 26, 2026
Live Q&A with Brendan Graham Dempsey | Questions, Dialogue, and the Pursuit of Wisdom
<p>What is applied metatheory - and why might it matter for ordinary people trying to make sense of reality, meaning, spirituality, and complexity?</p> <p>In this live Q&A from The Lectern, Ethan Hsieh speaks with Brendan Graham Dempsey about metatheory, meaning-making, complexity, and the spiritual task of learning to feel at home in the universe. Brendan introduces his work as Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory and Director at Sky Meadow Institute, where he explores developmental models, metamodern thought, complexity science, worldview, value, and the sacred. The conversation begins by demystifying "meta" itself: not as abstract ivory-tower speculation, but as the human effort to build better maps of reality from an overwhelming abundance of knowledge. Ethan and Brendan examine how we are always philosophizing - asking what is true, who to trust, what matters, and how different domains of meaning relate to each other. They discuss the pitfalls of complexity, including conspiracy thinking, premature certainty, and the difficulty of staying with learning when one does not yet understand. The conversation moves through AI, mentorship, spiritual development, metaphor, phenomenology, and the challenge of describing transformative experience without over-reifying inherited symbols. Brendan frames metatheory as a way of relating different "data" of human experience - from mystical encounter to neuroscience to integral theory - without collapsing them into chaos or dogma. The episode closes with a question about perennialism, where Brendan makes a case for dynamic spirituality, interpretive humility, and pluralism not as a failure to answer, but perhaps as part of the answer itself.</p> <p>Brendan Graham Dempsey is Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory and Director at Sky Meadow Institute in Vermont. He is the host of the Metamodern Meaning podcast and author of the multi-volume series The Evolution of Meaning. His upcoming Lectern course, Matters Over Time, explores meaning, complexity, development, and the sacred.</p> <p>00:00 Welcome and live Q&A format<br /> 01:30 Introducing Brendan Graham Dempsey<br /> 01:50 Institute of Applied Metatheory, Sky Meadow Institute, and Metamodern Meaning<br /> 02:50 The Evolution of Meaning and Matters Over Time<br /> 03:30 Why "applied metatheory" can sound intimidating<br /> 04:20 What is applied metatheory?<br /> 05:00 Big-picture thinking across human history<br /> 06:00 The impossibility of "reading everything" today<br /> 07:00 Making sense of reality from specialized knowledge<br /> 07:40 Metatheory as a way to feel at home in the universe<br /> 09:30 Why useful maps matter<br /> 09:50 We are always philosophizing<br /> 11:30 Meaning as reality continually disclosing itself<br /> 12:10 Development, wisdom, and the expanding horizon of thought<br /> 13:00 Epistemology, truth, and learning to hold complexity<br /> 14:50 Demystifying "meta"<br /> 15:20 Pitfalls in approaching complexity<br /> 16:00 Conspiracy theories and seeking complexity in the wrong places<br /> 17:40 AI, wisdom, and the demands of complex conversations<br /> 18:30 Learning, discomfort, mentors, and staying on the path<br /> 20:00 Rabbit holes vs. deeper engagement with reality<br /> 27:00 Complexity, integrity, and discernment<br /> 35:00 Metatheory, spirituality, and meaning-making frameworks<br /> 45:00 How symbols and metaphors point beyond themselves<br /> 55:00 Spiritual experience, interpretation, and inherited maps<br /> 01:06:40 The finger pointing at the moon<br /> 01:07:00 Bird watching as spiritual exercise<br /> 01:08:00 "Things happen. That was something."<br /> 01:08:50 Getting closer to lived experience<br /> 01:09:30 Phenomenology, Layman Pascal, and expanding spiritual vocabulary<br /> 01:10:30 The divine as doorway into experience<br /> 01:11:00 Mapping spiritual data without collapsing into chaos<br /> 01:12:10 Would Brendan consider himself a perennialist?<br /> 01:13:20 Dynamic spirituality, emergence, novelty, and evolution<br /> 01:15:00 Naturalizing perennial claims and studying causal dynamics<br /> 01:17:20 Near-death experience and interpretive humility<br /> 01:19:00 Ontological claims as proposals, not closures<br /> 01:20:00 Integrity, skepticism, and not being sold a worldview<br /> 01:22:40 Pluralism as part of the answer<br /> 01:24:50 Brendan's course Matters Over Time<br /> 01:25:20 Closing thanks</p> <p>Explore Brendan's course and other offerings:</p> <p><a href= "https://lectern.teachable.com">https://lectern.teachable.com</a></p> <p>About The Lectern</p> <p>The Lectern is dedicated to wisdom cultivation through dialogue, inquiry, and transformative practices. Through courses, live events, and community conversations, we seek not merely to discuss ideas, but to explore how they can shape the way we live.</p> <p>Thank you for listening!</p>
June 26, 2026
Why Wonder Is More Than Curiosity with William Desmond
Dr. John Vervaeke and philosopher William Desmond explore how genuine wonder, distinct from mere curiosity, opens the mind to reality and fosters deeper understanding.
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