Eating the Apple

About Eating the Apple

Two non-believers read the Bible to see if a plain reading will convert them to Christianity. The hosts, Chris and Jeff, approach the Bible with a serious effort and a desire to understand where believers are coming from. They discuss their personal beliefs, their curiosity about the Bible, and their intention to expand their knowledge base. The podcast aims to provide a measured and honest exploration of the Bible's claims, while also encouraging empathy and understanding between believers and non-believers.

Publisher

Eating the Apple

Category

religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

17 Apr 2024

Latest episode

18 Aug 2024

Latest episodes

17 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   18 Aug 2024

   Episode 16: Exodus 21-23

   In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the laws found in Exodus 21 and 22. They highlight the rules regarding Hebrew servants, including the provision for their release after six years of service. They also explore the concept of slavery and the implications for slaves who have families. Jeff raises questions about the morality of breeding slaves and the permanent marking of slaves through ear piercing. The conversation then delves into the laws regarding personal injuries, including the principle of 'an eye for an eye.' Jeff also examines the laws related to theft, property damage, and sexual offenses. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the punishment for sorcery and the importance of treating foreigners, widows, and orphans with fairness and compassion. In this conversation, Jeff and Chris review and discuss various themes and passages from Exodus 22 and 23. He explores the concept of eye for an eye, the consequences of mistreating widows and fatherless children, the importance of honesty and justice, the significance of the Sabbath, the prohibition of cooking a young goat in its mother's milk, and the promise of God's protection and blessings. Jeff and Chris also raise questions about the need for Jesus' sacrifice and the role of other gods in the Israelites' lives.

2. 

   11 Aug 2024

   Episode 15: Exodus 20 (Ten Commandments)

   In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the Ten Commandments and their significance. They explore why the Ten Commandments are set apart from the other laws, the interpretation of the commandments, and the reasoning behind them. They also discuss the concept of honoring parents, the commandment against murder, and the commandment against adultery. They question the vagueness of some of the commandments and the cultural context in which they were given. The conversation explores the familiarity of the commandments and their origins in oral tradition. It discusses the similarities between the Book of Jubilees and the Noachian laws, as well as the distinction between the Gentilian laws and the 613 Mishvot. The conversation also delves into the interpretation of the Ten Commandments as a wedding covenant between God and humanity, drawing parallels between the commandments and the responsibilities of a married couple. The significance of the altar and its simplicity is also explored, along with the differing interpretations of the commandments in Christianity and Judaism.

3. 

   4 Aug 2024

   Episode 14: Exodus 17-19

   In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the events in Exodus 17 and 18. They talk about the significance of the quail and the water from the rock, as well as the battle with the Amalekites. They also discuss the names of Moses' sons and the role of Jethro, Moses' father-in-law. They speculate on Jethro's beliefs and how his encounter with Moses and the Israelites might have influenced him. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss various aspects of the text, including the interpretation of certain passages and the chronology of events. They explore the themes of leadership, hierarchy, and the role of women in the story. They also touch on the significance of Mount Sinai and the different translations of certain verses. Overall, they provide insights into the narrative and raise thought-provoking questions. In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the events in Exodus chapters 18 and 19. They explore the timeline of the Israelites' journey and the significance of the desert of Sinai. They also delve into the metaphor of being carried on eagle's wings and the possible interpretations of the trumpet blast. The conversation ends with a discussion on the consecration of the people and the warning against approaching the mountain.

4. 

   7 Jul 2024

   Episode 13: Exodus 14-16

   In this episode, Jeff and Chris discuss the events of Exodus 14, where the Israelites are on the run from the Egyptians. God instructs Moses to lead the Israelites in a confusing loop back, which confuses Pharaoh. The Israelites become fearful when they see the Egyptians pursuing them, but Moses reassures them that God will deliver them. God then parts the Red Sea, allowing the Israelites to cross on dry ground. The Egyptians follow, but the sea closes in on them, drowning them all. The Israelites witness this miracle and put their trust in God. In this part of the conversation, Chris and Jeff discuss the repetition in the book of Exodus and the need to recognize when God is acting. They question the purpose of the constant repetition and wonder if they are missing something. They also discuss the exultant song of Moses and Miriam and the role of Miriam as a prophetess. They highlight the poetic language used in the song and the acknowledgement of other gods by the Israelites. They also raise questions about the significance of the mountain of God and the future of the Israelites. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the story of Moses leading the Israelites through the desert and the concept of manna from heaven. They explore the meaning behind the biblical numbers mentioned in the text and the significance of the instructions given by God. They also discuss the possible explanations for manna, including the idea that it could be a substance excreted by a specific tree. Jeff shares his motivations for exploring the Bible and his growing understanding and appreciation for believers. They conclude by expressing their excitement for delving deeper into the stories and interpretations of the Bible.

5. 

   30 Jun 2024

   Episode 12: Exodus 12-13 (The Passover) w/Rabbi Geoffrey Dennis

   In this conversation, Rabbi Geoffrey Dennis joins the hosts to discuss the Passover festival. They explore various aspects of the Passover, including the instructions for selecting and preparing the lamb, the significance of the blood on the doorframe, and the symbolism of eating unleavened bread. They also touch on the connection between the Passover and the Christian concept of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb. Rabbi Dennis provides insights into the historical and cultural context of the Passover and offers multiple interpretations of its rituals and practices. In this part of the conversation, Rabbi Dennis discusses the concept of death in the biblical context and the various interpretations of the consequences of disobedience. He also explains the significance of the divisions or armies of Israel leaving Egypt and the possible meanings behind the gesture of raised hands. The conversation then delves into the rituals and traditions of the Passover celebration, including the four questions and the importance of storytelling. Rabbi Dennis also touches on the modern-day interpretations and practices of Passover in the absence of the temple. In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss various aspects of the Exodus story, including the land of milk and honey, the significance of unleavened bread, and the route taken by the Israelites. They also explore the concept of chiasms in the Bible and the importance of certain verses in Exodus 12:40-51. The conversation highlights the complexities and interpretations of biblical texts and the role of scholarship in understanding them.

6. 

   23 Jun 2024

   Episode 11: Exodus 7-12 (The Plagues)

   In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the promises made to Jacob and Esau and how they both ended up with blessings. They also analyze the hardening of Pharaoh's heart and his response to the plagues. They question Pharaoh's intelligence and his willingness to challenge God's power. They also discuss the precision of the plagues and Pharaoh's calculated response. The conversation ends with the discussion of the plague of frogs and the introduction of the plague of gnats. In this part of the conversation, Chris and Jeff discuss the significance of the finger of God and the right hand in the context of the plagues. They also explore the distinction between Goshen and the rest of Egypt in terms of the plagues. They question why God spared the Israelites from the flies but not from the previous plagues. They also discuss the detestable sacrifices and the role of livestock in the story. They ponder why Pharaoh's heart was hardened and why he didn't let the Israelites go despite the plagues. They also question the effectiveness of the plagues and the reasoning behind God's actions. In this part of the conversation, the focus is on the plagues and the interactions between Moses, Aaron, and Pharaoh. The discussion touches on the significance of the plagues and their impact on the Egyptians, as well as the role of Moses as a leader. There is also a reflection on the morality of the Bible and the different interpretations of its teachings. The conversation ends with a discussion on the Pharaoh's response to Moses' request to let the Israelites go. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the concept of God's judgment and the plagues in Egypt. They question why God would bring destruction and suffering upon the Egyptians, and why He would harden Pharaoh's heart. They also discuss the role of the east wind in causing destruction and the significance of the darkness that covered Egypt. They ponder the distinction between the gods of Egypt and the power of Yahweh. The conversation ends with a discussion about the upcoming Passover and the instructions given to the Israelites. In this final part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the instructions for the Passover ceremony and the redemption of the firstborn. They question the relevance of putting blood on the door for Passover in modern times and explore the rituals associated with redeeming the firstborn. They also discuss the logistics of the Israelites leaving Egypt and the significance of the 430 years mentioned in the Bible. They reflect on the challenges of reconciling the numbers and genealogies in the biblical text and the implications for the authenticity of the story.

7. 

   16 Jun 2024

   Episode 10: Exodus 3-6

   In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the story of Moses and the burning bush. They explore the location of Mount Horeb and the significance of Moses tending the flock in Midian. They also discuss the meaning of the name of God, Yahweh, and its importance in the narrative. They question why God would need to use a ruse to convince Pharaoh to let the Israelites go and ponder the purpose of the story overall. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the plagues that God inflicts on the Egyptians and the purpose behind them. They also question why God lies to Moses about his intentions and the significance of Moses' objections. They explore the strange incident where God tries to kill Moses and Zipporah saves him by circumcising their son.

8. 

   9 Jun 2024

   Episode 9: Exodus 1-2

   In this conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss their preparations for reading the book of Exodus. They share their thoughts on the authorship of Exodus and the different perspectives on who wrote it. They also discuss the number of Israelites in Egypt and the oppression they faced. They question the logic of the Pharaoh's actions and the role of God in the midst of their suffering. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the events in Exodus 1 and the beginning of Exodus 2. They talk about the missed opportunity to include the story of Moses being saved from the Nile in the text. They also discuss the significance of Moses being a fine child and the use of the papyrus basket. They question why Pharaoh's daughter would adopt a Hebrew child and why Moses would kill an Egyptian taskmaster. They also mention Moses fleeing to Midian and helping the daughters of the priest of Midian. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the story of Moses and his time in Midian. They explore the significance of Moses being mistaken for an Egyptian and the potential reasons for him speaking with an Egyptian accent. They also discuss the names of Moses' wife and son and the possible connections to the modern-day makeup company Sephora. The conversation then shifts to the death of the king of Egypt and the retconning of pharaoh names in the Bible. They question the purpose of the suffering endured by the Israelites and the lack of explanation from God. They also reflect on the challenges of approaching the Bible from different perspectives and the importance of seeking understanding.

9. 

   2 Jun 2024

   Episode 8: Genesis 47-50

   Summary In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss Jacob's journey to Egypt and Joseph's administration of the famine. He highlights the presentation of Jacob's family to Pharaoh and the selection of five brothers to be presented. They also explores the age of marriage for Jacob's sons and the establishment of the one-fifth tax in Egypt. He delves into the significance of Jacob's blessings and the subversion of birthright order. The conversation concludes with the discussion of Simeon and Levi's actions and their consequences. In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss various themes and events in the book of Genesis. They explore the blessings given to Jacob's sons, the significance of Judah, the genealogy of Jacob's children, and the death of Jacob. They also touch on the movie Noah and answer a few quiz questions about Genesis.

10. 

    26 May 2024

    Episode 7: Genesis 42-46

    In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the story of Joseph and his brothers in Genesis 42. They explore the phrasing used by Jacob when he tells his sons to go to Egypt and get grain so that they may 'live and not die.' They also discuss the concept of lying in the Bible and how it is viewed in different situations. They question why Joseph didn't contact his father during his time in Egypt and speculate on his motivations for wanting his brother Benjamin to come to Egypt. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the accusation made by Jacob against his sons and the significance of Judah's offer to sacrifice himself for Benjamin. They also analyze the performative nature of Joseph's actions and the customs and traditions surrounding their interactions. The chapter ends with Judah pleading for Benjamin's release, showing his willingness to take responsibility and protect their father. In this conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the significance of Joseph's demand to see Benjamin in order to reveal his true identity. They explore the possibility that Joseph wanted to ensure that Benjamin was present to fully recognize him as his brother. They also discuss the concept of the netherworld mentioned in the Catholic version of the text. They analyze Joseph's motives for wanting Benjamin to come to Egypt, considering both emotional manipulation and genuine love for his brother. They question the reasons behind the extravagant gifts Joseph sends back with his brothers and the implications of settling in Goshen. They also ponder the use of the names Jacob and Israel and the distinction between sons and grandsons in the genealogy. The conversation ends with a plan to continue the discussion in the next episode.

11. 

    19 May 2024

    Episode 6: Genesis 37-41

    In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the story of Joseph in Genesis chapter 37. They talk about Joseph being his father's favorite and receiving a special coat, his dreams of his brothers bowing down to him, and his brothers' jealousy and plot to get rid of him. They also discuss the meaning of Joseph's name and the significance of his long-sleeved robe. In chapter 38, they briefly mention Judah's story and his marriages, as well as Tamar's clever plan to conceive a child with Judah. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the significance of not sleeping with Tamar again and speculate on the cultural practices of the time. They also explore the symbolism of the scarlet thread and its connection to Esau being red. They reflect on the challenges of interpreting ancient texts and the difficulty of determining the correct interpretation. They analyze the story of Joseph in prison and question the role of his suffering in the narrative. They also discuss the interpretations of the cupbearer and the baker's dreams and consider whether Joseph's interpretations were divinely inspired or based on common cultural knowledge. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the dreams of Pharaoh and Joseph's interpretation of them. They explore the significance of the dreams and the role of God in Joseph's rise to power. They also discuss the practicality of Joseph's plan to store grain during the years of abundance and the impact of the famine on Egypt and the surrounding regions. The conversation ends with a reflection on the character of Joseph and the challenges of interpreting ancient texts.

12. 

    12 May 2024

    Episode 5: Genesis 32-36

    In this episode, Jeff and Chris discuss Genesis chapter 32, where Jacob prepares to meet his brother Esau. They explore the significance of Jacob's name change to Israel and the wrestling match with God. They also discuss the concept of seeing God and the different forms in which God appears. In this part of the conversation, the principal themes identified are the interpretation of the word 'wonderful' in relation to God's communication, the significance of Jacob being called Israel, the encounter between Jacob and Esau, and the defilement of Dinah and the subsequent revenge by Simeon and Levi. The keywords for this conversation include 'communication with God', 'identity', 'reconciliation', 'rape', and 'revenge'. The main takeaways are the multifaceted meaning of the word 'wonderful' in Hebrew poetry, the transformation of Jacob into Israel, the importance of reconciliation and forgiveness, and the consequences of violence and revenge. In this conversation, Neck and Jeff Grey discuss the story of Jacob and Esau, focusing on the themes of identity, family dynamics, and the fulfillment of promises. They explore the significance of Jacob's name change to Israel and the implications for his descendants. They also discuss the complex relationships between Jacob's sons and the consequences of their actions. The conversation ends with a brief discussion of Esau's descendants and the contrast between their lineage and Jacob's. Overall, the conversation provides insights into the biblical narrative and raises thought-provoking questions about faith, inheritance, and the role of God in human affairs.

13. 

    5 May 2024

    Episode 4: Genesis 28-31

    In Genesis chapter 28, Jacob is blessed by his father Isaac and instructed to find a wife from his mother's family. He sets out on his journey and has a vision of God. In chapter 29, Jacob meets Laban and falls in love with Rachel. Laban agrees to give Rachel to Jacob in exchange for seven years of work. However, on the wedding night, Laban deceives Jacob and gives him Leah instead. Jacob agrees to work another seven years to marry Rachel. Leah and Rachel then engage in a rivalry to have more children, and they even give their servants to Jacob to bear children in their names. The chapter ends with Leah giving birth to four sons and Rachel remaining barren. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Chris discuss the events in Genesis 30 and 31. They explore the dynamics between Rachel and Leah, the deception and polygamy in Jacob's relationships, and the mysterious magic involving the breeding of goats. They also discuss Laban's reaction to Jacob leaving and the significance of the blessings given to the female children. The conversation ends with a preview of what's to come in Genesis 32.

14. 

    28 Apr 2024

    Episode 3: Genesis 24-27

    In this conversation, Chris and Jeff discuss the practice of giving out Bible tracts at fast food restaurants and the discomfort it can cause. They then dive into the reading of Genesis 24, where Abraham sends his servant Eliezer to find a wife for his son Isaac. They discuss the significance of Eliezer putting his hand under Abraham's thigh as a sign of oath, and the cultural context of finding a wife from the same lineage. They also explore the idea of love and marriage in the biblical context. The conversation concludes with a brief discussion of Abraham's death and the passing of his inheritance to Isaac. In this part of the conversation, the speakers discuss the timeline and inconsistencies in the story of Abraham and Isaac. They also explore the concept of heaven and ancestor worship in ancient Hebrew culture. They question the meaning and intention behind certain events and actions in the text, such as Esau despising his birthright and Jacob deceiving Isaac. They reflect on the literary structure and the multiple interpretations that can be drawn from the text. The conversation ends with a discussion of Isaac's deception of Abimelech. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the story of Isaac and Abimelek, the filling of the wells, and the deception of Jacob and Esau. They explore the themes of deception, blessings, and the role of God in these stories. They also discuss the repetition of certain details in the text and the significance of meals as a symbol of agreement. The conversation ends with a reflection on the lineage of deception in the story and a preview of what's to come in the next episode.

15. 

    23 Apr 2024

    Episode 2: Genesis 12-23

    In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the themes of slavery, repetition in the text, and Abram's actions in Egypt. They explore the cultural context of slavery and the lack of explicit condemnation in the text. They also discuss the rhetorical device of repetition and its significance in the narrative. They analyze Abram's decision to lie about his relationship with Sarai and the consequences it has. They also examine the significance of Abram's encounter with the kings and his refusal to take any spoils of war. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the promise of a son to Abraham and Sarah, and the birth of Ishmael through Hagar. They explore the significance of circumcision and the renaming of Abraham and Sarah. They also touch on the age of Abraham and the laughter that ensues when God promises a child to Sarah. The conversation ends with the arrival of three visitors, one of whom is recognized as God by Abraham. In this part of the conversation, Neck and Jeff Grey discuss the story of Abraham and Sarah, focusing on the retelling of the story and the different circumstances surrounding it. They also discuss the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the questionable actions of Lot and his daughters. They question the motivations and actions of the characters and the inconsistencies in the punishments. They also explore the cultural context and the themes of trust and faith in God. In this final part of the conversation, the discussion focuses on the story of Abraham and Isaac. They explore the significance of Isaac being the chosen son and the parallels with other biblical stories. They also discuss the symbolism of the ram provided by God as a substitute for Isaac in the sacrifice. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the importance of lineage and the inclusion of specific details in the biblical narrative.

16. 

    17 Apr 2024

    Episode 1 - Genesis 1-11

    In this conversation, Chris and Jeff discuss the creation story in Genesis 1-2. They explore the themes of creation, the separation of light and darkness, the division of land and water, and the creation of plants, animals, and humans. They also discuss the use of plural pronouns in the creation of mankind and the order of creation in the two accounts. Overall, they approach the text with a critical and open-minded perspective, seeking to understand the nuances and potential contradictions within the story. In this part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the creation of mankind and the story of Adam and Eve. They explore the idea that different authors may have inserted passages in Genesis to provide context or clarity. They also discuss the creation of Eve from Adam's rib and speculate on the possible reasons behind it. They question the literal interpretation of the story and highlight the poetic and metaphorical elements. They also touch on the role of the serpent and the concept of sin. The conversation concludes with a discussion on Cain and Abel and the genealogy leading up to Noah. In this part of the conversation, the speakers discuss the story of Noah and the flood. They explore the themes of wickedness, righteousness, and God's regret. They also question the significance of the sons of God and the daughters of men, as well as the inclusion of animals and the absence of fish in the flood. The conversation delves into the details of the ark, including the type of wood used and the presence of birds. They also touch on the numerology and symbolism in the story. In this final part of the conversation, Jeff and Neck discuss the story of Noah and the Tower of Babel. They explore the themes of God's covenant with Noah, the permission to eat animals, and the concept of bloodshed. They also ponder the significance of Ham seeing his father naked and the curse placed on Ham's descendants. The conversation then transitions to the genealogies in Genesis 10, tracing the lineage from Shem to Abram. They question the repetition and inclusion of certain details in the text, and contemplate the purpose and interpretation of the stories.

17. 

    17 Apr 2024

    What is Eating the Apple

    Introduction to Eating the Apple wherein hosts Chris and Jeff, self-described non-believers, discuss their intention to read the Christian bible through an atheist lens.

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