Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway.
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Former Colorado Commissioner of Education Katy Anthes joins Jason Masino to explore why students need room to experiment, change direction, and define success for themselves. They discuss career exploration, flexible routes between education and work, and preparing young people for a future still taking shape.
Learn more about Katy Anthes work here (https://www.pebc.org/forward-from-polarization-to-progress/).
22 Sept 2026
WCFN: Colorado’s Higher Ed System Has a Spaghetti Problem
Colorado offers thousands of education and training options, spread across a maze of state agencies. For the first installment of COJA's What's College For Now?series, Roger Low joins Jason Masino to discuss HB 26-1317, the push to connect higher education and workforce development, and a harder question: Can Colorado demand clearer evidence of economic value without reducing college to job training?
Episod Links:
Reimagining Colorado’s Postsecondary Talent Development System and HB 26-1317 (https://operations.colorado.gov/strategic-initiatives/reimagining-colorados-postsecondary-talent-development-system)
Degrees of Abundance: A Postsecondary Path Forward Showcased in Colorado (https://workshift.org/degrees-of-abundance-a-postsecondary-path-forward-showcased-in-colorado/)
Colorado Equitable Economic Mobility Initiative (https://www.ceemi.org/)
Get Me to the Gray (https://cojaservices.com/coja-presents-get-me-to-the-gray/)
COJA Services (https://cojaservices.com/)
16 Sept 2026
Coming Soon: Season 2
Season 2 of Get Me to the Gray begins with a handoff. Paula Lehman-Ewing passes the mic to new host Jason Masino as they reflect on Season 1 and introduce the first series question: What is college for now?
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