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Get Me to the Gray

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by Paula Lehman-Ewing

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Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway. COJA Services Inc. works with mission-driven organizations and brands that are clear on their values but struggle to translate that clarity into public-facing language. We help teams align internal narratives, reduce confusion before it becomes mistrust, and translate complexity into public understanding without relying on scripts, rhetoric, or generic AI language that strips voice and judgment. If you're in the greater Denver metro area, register for our LIVE events at tinyurl.com/COJAEvents

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July 7, 2026

Season Finale: Research, Reality and the Mission, LIVE at GRASP

Recorded live at GRASP in Denver, this episode asks what research can become when it stops extracting stories from communities and starts protecting the people closest to the harm. Paula sits with Johnny, Jenny, Erica, and members of the GRASP research team to talk about trust, gun violence, community-led inquiry, and why data means very little if it does not lead to action. Learn more about GRASP at <a href="https://graspyouth.org">graspyouth.org</a>.We’ll be back with new episodes in September. In the meantime, keep in touch with us at <a href="https://cojaservices.com">cojaservices.com</a>, opt in to the <a href="https://cojaservices.com/subscribed/">newsletter</a>, and follow along as we keep asking better questions in public.

June 30, 2026

Reason, Religion, Faith & the Unknown

What is religion actually for?For thousands of years, religion has offered explanations for life's biggest mysteries. But what happens when reason replaces revelation? Can a religion survive if it no longer asks people to believe the supernatural?In this episode of Get Me to the Gray, Paula Lehman-Ewing sits down with Matt Ward, founder of New Atenism, to explore whether faith is essential to religion—or whether religion can evolve alongside human knowledge.The conversation begins with reason, science, and the role of speculation in human progress, but quickly moves somewhere deeper: What should we do with the unknown?Is faith simply belief without evidence? Or is it the willingness to live with questions that may never have answers?Rather than debating religion versus atheism, this episode asks a more fundamental question: Is religion meant to explain life's mysteries—or help us live with them? You can learn more about Matt Ward and New Atenism at <a href="https://newatenism.org">newatenism.org</a>. Learn more about COJA Presents at <a href="https://cojaservices.com">COJAServices.com</a>

May 26, 2026

Good Agents, Broken Patterns: Former FBI Special Agent Eric Robinson on Burge, COINTELPRO, and Institutional Harm

Former FBI Special Agent Eric Robinson spent 24 years inside one of the most powerful law enforcement institutions in the world. He worked counterterrorism, crimes against children, public corruption, and national security. He was part of the team that arrested Jon Burge — the Chicago police commander whose torture program put more than 100 Black men in prison on forced confessions over nearly four decades. He's also publicly stated the FBI today is unrecognizable from the one he was a part of. Paula challenges that idea: Is it different or just more exposed?This conversation asks what it means to do good work inside a broken pattern. Robinson doesn't deflect the hard questions. What he gives instead is something rarer: an honest account of what it means to see clearly and still stay inside. Learn more about Eric and his forthcoming book Irreverend: From Saving Souls to Chasing Sinners in the FBI visit <a href="https://preachertobreacher.com/">preachertobreacher.com</a> and follow him on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_eric_robinson/">@_eric_robinson</a>.If you're interested in having or facilitating conversations with hard questions, contact us at <a href="https://cojaservices.com">cojaservices.com</a>.

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What is Get Me to the Gray?: Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway.

COJA Services Inc. works with mission-driven organizations and brands that are clear on their values but struggle to translate that clarity into public-facing language. We help teams align internal narratives, reduce confusion before it becomes mistrust, and translate complexity into public understanding without relying on scripts, rhetoric, or generic AI language that strips voice and judgment.

If you're in the greater Denver metro area, register for our LIVE events at tinyurl.com/COJAEvents
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates daily.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 4 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
Does this podcast accept guests?: Yes, this podcast regularly features guests.

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