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HIV: The Morning After

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An oral history and public-education audio archive documenting the lived experience of people living with HIV in the UK. The series captures testimony at a moment when institutional memory, peer support, and long-term survivor narratives are being eroded, despite medical progress. Led by Emmy award-winning documentary producer Dan Hall, the project is building a long-form archive of recorded testimonies for public, community, and educational use. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

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July 2, 2026

Laurence Close: Glamour, Guilt, Genetics

<p>A fashion industry hair and makeup artist who tested positive for HIV in 1985 and went three decades without medication - his body carrying a rare genetic mutation that science wouldn't fully explain for years.</p><h2>Summary</h2><p>Laurence Close grew up in Zambia, where being gay carried a prison sentence. He came to London in 1983, fell for a diplomat twenty years older, and trained as a hair and makeup artist while shuttling to Paris on weekends. When a bag from Yves Saint Laurent Beauté under the boyfriend's bed confirmed the affair, Laurence went to Gower Street for a test. He already knew.</p><p>The positive result arrived in 1985, five weeks late because of back-to-back photoshoots abroad. His first thought was not how to live but when to die - timed to look like an accidental overdose, because in his parents' farming community, that would be easier to explain than AIDS. A woman called Eunice, a Nigerian lesbian who had acquired HIV through rape, changed his mind in a waiting room at St Mary's Paddington by complimenting his coat.</p><p>For 30 years, Laurence's body did something his doctors couldn't explain. His viral load stayed undetectable and his CD4 count remained abnormally high - without a single day of medication. He carried a CCR5-Delta 32 gene mutation, inherited from one parent, that interfered with the virus's ability to enter his cells. Meanwhile, he built a career doing hair and makeup for Britney Spears, Tyra Banks, Annie Lennox, and Joan Collins, never blending foundation on the back of his hand again. He felt toxic. He chose partners who were, in his words, incredibly fucked up - people he couldn't shortchange by being with them.</p><p>When U=U reached him in 2016, the loaded gun he'd carried for three decades was finally empty. He married a Swedish man he'd spoken to for two years without seeing a photograph. This podcast is his public disclosure.</p><h2>Key Moments</h2><ul><li><strong>[01:50] Zambia, boarding school, and sitting too close</strong> - growing up where homosexuality carries 14 years in prison, and the constant self-policing of gesture and gaze</li><li><strong>[05:08] London, 1983</strong> - hairdressing school in Hammersmith, nights at Taboo and the Hippodrome, and a diplomat who showed him that gay men could go to the opera</li><li><strong>[10:53] The bag under the bed</strong> - discovering the affair in Paris, blaming himself, and deciding to get tested</li><li><strong>[16:21] The result, the calm, the calculation</strong> - receiving a positive diagnosis at 25 and planning suicide with the detachment of choosing when to swap summer tyres for winter</li><li><strong>[19:49] The fashion industry's decimation</strong> - Stevie Hughes, Dan Carrier, Luba Steubenville, and the weekly disappearances. A friend's father: "I wish you'd told me you had cancer, because then I could feel sorry for you"</li><li><strong>[24:29] Eunice at St Mary's</strong> - a woman in the Jeffreys Wing waiting room who complimented his coat and, without knowing it, gave him a reason to keep going</li><li><strong>[27:00] Disclosure in Hyde Park</strong> - why Laurence only ever told partners in places where they could leave without it being obvious, and the silence that followed</li><li><strong>[30:47] Feeling toxic</strong> - wanting love but building himself into an object of desire that would never let anyone close. "There's only so many times I can do that."</li><li><strong>[37:21] The body that wouldn't break</strong> - 5 years, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, and still no progression. The CCR5-Delta 32 gene mutation explained</li><li><strong>[40:55] The south of France and the lie</strong> - a partner who faked leukaemia to trap him, the domestic abuse that followed, and the client at the airport who said: "If you don't leave this man, he's going to kill you"</li><li><strong>[46:58] U=U and the end of the wolf</strong> - starting medication in 2016 after 31 years, and the moment the loaded gun became an empty chamber</li><li><strong>[51:23] The Swedish man</strong> - two years of conversation with no photograph, falling in love with how someone treats you, and marriage after 60</li></ul><br/><h2>Dedication</h2><p>Laurence remembers <strong>Eunice</strong>, whose surname he never learned - the woman in the waiting room at St Mary's who made him decide to keep living.</p><h2>About Laurence Close</h2><p>Laurence Close is a hair and makeup artist who has worked in the fashion industry since the early 1980s. His clients have included Britney Spears, Tyra Banks, Annie Lennox, and Joan Collins. He carries a rare CCR5-Delta 32 gene mutation that slowed HIV progression for over three decades. He now lives in Sweden with his husband. This episode is his first public disclosure of his HIV status.</p><h2>Resources</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/living-hiv-long-term" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Terrence Higgins Trust — Living with HIV long term</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nat.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">National AIDS Trust</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thesurvivorstrust.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Survivors Trust — Domestic abuse support</a></li><li><a href="https://galop.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Galop — LGBT+ anti-abuse charity</a></li><li><a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hiv-action-plan-for-england-2025-to-2030" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The 2025–2030 UK HIV Action Plan</a></li></ul><br/><p>If you have been affected by the themes in this episode, support is available at <a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tht.org.uk</a>.</p><br/><br/>This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: <br/><br/>Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

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June 25, 2026

Mark S King: Desire, Defiance, Dancing

<p>An American HIV journalist and long-term survivor reflects on four decades of living with HIV, from the pre-AIDS era of early 1980s West Hollywood to the age of Undetectable equals Untransmittable.</p><h2>Summary</h2><p>In 1980, Mark S King was a 19-year-old with a strawberry blonde fringe who won a car on The Price Is Right. His boyfriend Charlie was in the audience wearing a matching outfit. Five years later, a friend tested him for HIV after hours in a doctor's office - off the record, because a positive result could cost him his home and his job. The phone call that followed was brief: you're HIV positive, good luck, goodbye. No referral, no medication, no next steps. There was nothing to offer.</p><p>What followed was a decade spent in the thick of the West Hollywood AIDS crisis - running experimental drugs across the Mexican border, holding dying friends' hands through the Shanti Foundation, and finding moments of wilful joy on San Diego dance floors. Mark lost Ron at 26 in a Connecticut nursing home, Marcos to CMV blindness and suicide, and Lesley surrounded by friends singing him songs. When combination therapy arrived in 1996, the relief came tangled with guilt, confusion, and maxed-out credit cards. Forty years on, Mark sits on a porch in Atlanta with his husband Michael and calls happiness the only revolution he has left.</p><h2>Key Moments</h2><ul><li><strong>[00:02] The strawberry blonde twink</strong> - Mark's childhood in Louisiana as an Air Force brat, finding role models in community theatre, and navigating desire in the Deep South</li><li><strong>[07:20] Winning a car on national television</strong> - the Price Is Right appearance in 1980, the matching outfits, and why Mark keeps returning to that footage as a snapshot of the "just before"</li><li><strong>[15:27] An encounter with Rock Hudson</strong> - a dinner in West Hollywood, an invitation back, and the world-weariness of a closeted star three years from dying on the nightly news</li><li><strong>[22:25] The envelope on the table</strong> - testing positive in 1985, the after-hours blood draw, and the two-week wait for a result that came with nothing attached</li><li><strong>[24:44] The Shanti Foundation and learning not to fix people</strong> - volunteering with the dying, the philosophy of compassionate presence, and the bank teller with Kaposi's sarcoma who just stopped showing up</li><li><strong>[30:36] Drug running to Tijuana</strong> - smuggling AZT across the border, packing it under the spare tyre, and dancing to Laura Branigan on the way home. Wilful joy.</li><li><strong>[35:49] Dick, Emile, and the brandy glass</strong> - Mark's brother and his partner's final act of love - assisted suicide.</li><li><strong>[41:11] The Lazarus effect</strong> - combination therapy arrives in 1996, and the impossible emotional whiplash of being told you might actually live</li><li><strong>[44:46] Long-term survivor as relic</strong> - why Mark resists being turned into a symbol, and why HIV remains the most fascinating societal mirror he knows</li><li><strong>[49:32] Joy as a mission statement</strong> - not bravado but disposition, and the message he would send back to the boy arriving in West Hollywood: trust your instincts</li></ul><br/><h2>Dedication</h2><p>Mark remembers <strong>Antoine</strong>, a gender-fluid young Black man in gold lamé who died of AIDS only a few years ago - a reminder that the crisis is not history for everyone.</p><h2>About Mark S King</h2><p>Mark S King is an American HIV journalist, essayist, and NLGJA LGBTQ Journalist of the Year. His memoir My Fabulous Disease: Chronicles of a Gay Survivor was published in 2024. He was inducted into the NLGJA Hall of Fame in 2025 and is a GLAAD Award winner. He lives in Atlanta with his husband Michael. His blog is <a href="https://www.marksking.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">My Fabulous Disease</a>.</p><h2>Resources</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.marksking.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">My Fabulous Disease — Mark's blog and writing archive</a></li><li><a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/living-hiv-long-term" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Terrence Higgins Trust — Long-term survivor support (UK)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nat.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">National AIDS Trust — HIV and the law in the UK</a></li><li><a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hiv-action-plan-for-england-2025-to-2030" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The 2025–2030 UK HIV Action Plan</a></li></ul><br/><p>If you have been affected by the themes in this episode, support is available at <a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tht.org.uk</a>.</p><br/><br/>This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: <br/><br/>Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

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June 10, 2026

Trailer: Series 3

<p>A preview of the third series of HIV: The Morning After — ten new interviews with people living with HIV across four decades, five countries, and every assumption you thought you had.</p><h2>Summary</h2><p>Series 3 of HIV: The Morning After brings ten new voices to the podcast. An American journalist who smuggled AZT across the Mexican border in the boot of his car. A fashion makeup artist who lived with HIV for 30 years without a single day of medication, carrying a rare gene mutation his doctors couldn't explain. A young woman who kept a physical notebook of lies to remember which cover story she'd given for the pill she took at lunch. A Ukrainian DJ who survived six overdoses on the streets of Kyiv and now drives antiretroviral medication through a war zone in his own car. A Ugandan-born woman who packed six months of pills and flew home to die, arriving in the UK with a CD4 count of one. A man who survived a hijacked 747 at eleven and found clarity on a single dose of LSD taken for cluster headaches. A Nigerian priest who fasted for 40 days to pray the gay away, married a woman under church pressure, and founded Africa's first inclusive LGBTQ church across 22 countries. A Black British-Caribbean woman who told nobody for ten years and found her way back to her body through yoga and Buddhism. An HIV consultant who went from writing prescriptions to needing them, becoming the first person with HIV to lead the British HIV Association. And an actor who was diagnosed at 16, kept it secret for 15 years, and turned his story into a one-man show that led to 53 five-star reviews and a part in It's a Sin.</p><p>These are not cautionary tales. They are lives.</p><h2>The Guests</h2><ul><li><strong>Mark S King</strong> — HIV journalist and long-term survivor, diagnosed in 1985 in West Hollywood. Author of My Fabulous Disease.</li><li><strong>Laurence Close</strong> — Fashion hair and makeup artist, diagnosed in 1985. Lived 30 years without medication due to a rare CCR5-Delta 32 gene mutation. This episode is his first public disclosure.</li><li><strong>Ellie Harrison</strong> — Diagnosed at 21 in 2018. Spent 1,199 days in silence before going public on World AIDS Day 2021.</li><li><strong>Anton</strong> — Ukrainian DJ and harm reduction advocate, diagnosed in Kyiv. Founding member of the Ukrainian Network of People Who Use Drugs.</li><li><strong>Winnie Sseruma</strong> — Born in Sheffield, raised in Uganda, diagnosed in 1988 in the US. Co-founded the African HIV Policy Network. Arrived in the UK with a CD4 count of one.</li><li><strong>Hamish Noah</strong> — Born in Cambridge, raised across Southeast Asia and Africa. Diagnosed in January 2020. Recovery coach and HIV advocate.</li><li><strong>Reverend Jide Macaulay</strong> — Nigerian-born Anglican priest, diagnosed in 2003. Founder of the House of Rainbow, now operating in 22 countries.</li><li><strong>Louise Vallance</strong> — Black British-Caribbean woman, diagnosed in 2006 at 37. Told nobody for ten years. Yoga therapist and host of Aunty Lou's House.</li><li><strong>Dr Tristan Barber</strong> — HIV consultant at the Royal Free Hospital, diagnosed in 2002. First person living with HIV to chair the British HIV Association.</li><li><strong>Nathaniel Hall</strong> — Actor and activist from Stockport, diagnosed at 16 in 2003. Creator of First Time (53 five-star reviews) and cast member of It's a Sin.</li></ul><br/><h2>Resources</h2><ul><li><a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Terrence Higgins Trust</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nat.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">National AIDS Trust</a></li><li><a href="https://positivelyuk.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Positively UK</a></li><li><a href="https://ght.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">George House Trust — Manchester</a></li><li><a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hiv-action-plan-for-england-2025-to-2030" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The 2025–2030 UK HIV Action Plan</a></li></ul><br/><p>New episodes released weekly. Subscribe on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6STKi9WAVGW1WIVb2MK3wH?si=1c6d70c874b04375" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/hiv-the-morning-after/id1835342862" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a>, or wherever you listen.</p><p>If you have been affected by the themes in this series, support is available at <a href="https://www.tht.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tht.org.uk</a>.</p><br/><br/>This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: <br/><br/>Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

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An oral history and public-education audio archive documenting the lived experience of people living with HIV in the UK. The series captures testimony at a moment when institutional memory, peer support, and long-term survivor narratives are being eroded, despite medical progress. Led by Emmy award-winning documentary producer Dan Hall, the project is building a long-form archive of recorded testimonies for public, community, and educational use.

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