How We Win: Achieving Animal Liberation in Our Lifetime
Claim This Podcastby Devs and Vasile Stanescu
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<p>Vasile Stanescu, Ph.D. (he/him) is an associate professor of communication, and has published extensively on animal liberation. Devs Stanescu (they/them) is an engineer and activist. Vas and Devs are a husband and spouse that have been vegan for 20 years.</p> <p>Veganism is not a diet. Veganism is not a lifestyle choice. Veganism is, and must be, a social justice movement in solidarity with other social justice movements. Humans’ exploitation of other animals is causing immense harm not only to those other animals, but to the very planetary systems that we all depend on to survive. There is no time to waste - we need to win for animals, and we need to do it now. In this podcast, we will explore what the movement for animal liberation is doing right, things we need to just cut out already, and, ultimately, how to win. We will laugh, rage, debunk, strategize, connect, and fight. And, in solidarity with you, and with all animals, we are going to win. </p>
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March 27, 2026
Ep 19: Academic Capture & Greenwashing Animal Agriculture
<p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Read Vasile’s <a href="https://substack.com/@winforanimals">substack</a> on the same topic</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Referenced in the Episode:</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Our earlier episode - <a href="https://howwewin.squarespace.com/config/pages/6671c77dfc74376a718f2e52">Bullshit: Greenwashing Animal Agriculture</a></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Vasile’s earlier research on academic capture in the U.S. - <a target="_blank" href="https://www.winforanimals.org/s/Cowgate_Meat_Eating_and_Climate_Change_D.pdf">'Cowgate:’ Meat Eating and Climate Change Denial</a></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Fiction book recommendation: <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/709614/venomous-lumpsucker-by-ned-beauman/">Venomous Lumpsucker</a></p><p class="preFade fadeIn" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Join Our Community: </p><p class="preFade fadeIn" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Read and watch more of Vasile's research and join our community at <a href="https://winforanimals.org/">winforanimals.org</a></p>
March 13, 2026
Ep 18: Response to Bruce Friedrich on the Vegan Report
<p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/john.sanbonmatsu?__cft__[0]=AZbhXH60UVdiEIAYe0njBEp6EfN9cXlwI4zOmlo3_nG5aL0BnsE49mOHpfS5aVSGnF_6N5FTXBt5OGEH6WEnT5sNUpC_LQFrMIRzTGecqNkIn4lYteoiH8lovQFtcu4Mq4gHnDPTu29e4SEY8I18s_ZJAerGXaSkg87h4eD3qdWhiN0uU27biMrgvsLgmsjP1Pc&__tn__=-]K-R">John Sanbonmatsu</a> and Vasile were mentioned in this recent episode of The Vegan Report (Ep. 109, Feb. 24, 2026). Here is the relevant excerpt and Vasile’s response:</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">The Vegan Report: [B]ecause you even debated some of those outspoken people like John Sanbonmatsu or Vasile Stanescu. In any case, you know, what do you make of that distinction from animal advocates from this technology? How do you explain how they are truly skeptical in the prospects of cultivated meat?</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Bruce Friedrich: I mean, I think there's a pretty complete overlap between the people who are opposed to improvements in farm animal welfare and the people who are opposed to cultivated meat. And the argument is pretty similar. The argument against welfare reforms is that we are granting the property status of animals and that in doing so, we're setting back veganism.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">The argument against cultivated meat is that we're granting the idea of animals as consumable and again, setting back animal rights. I think both of those are just transparently bad arguments and I think they both really suggest a kind of remarkable lack of empathy for the animals who are in those conditions. And I really just can't even understand it.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">From The Vegan Report: The End of Factory Farming!? With Bruce Friedrich | Ep. 109, Feb 24, 2026</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Vasile’s response: My concerns about cultivated meat are not about a lack of empathy for animals. It is disappointing to see that characterization. My concerns are structural and political.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">For example, much of the industry has relied on fetal bovine serum (FBS), derived from the blood of unborn calves, as a growth medium. Even if companies aim to transition away from FBS, it is not yet clear that fully animal-free, scalable alternatives are viable. Some current research explores inputs such as ocular fluid and other animal-derived components.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">There is also a growing body of peer-reviewed research suggesting that cultivated meat may, depending on production methods and energy inputs, generate green house gas emission even greater than factory farms.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Finally, leaders within the industry have openly discussed hybrid products that combine cultivated cells with conventionally farmed animal inputs, positioning this as a pathway to greater profitability and market expansion. That raises serious questions about whether the technology displaces industrial animal agriculture or expands it.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">I do agree with Bruce on one point: he says he cannot understand the critique. That is an honest statement. There is a genuine strategic divide in the movement about whether technological substitution transforms animal agriculture or simply expands it. </p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Most importantly: disagreement about strategy is not indifference to animal suffering; that characterization is what has harmed us as a movement for a long time. It is unfortunate he would choose to frame our disagreement in those terms<br></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Debate: first half: <a href="https://howwewin.squarespace.com/videos/v/66xhzljk9ztd2fcarjhmbnpf2fer4r">https://howwewin.squarespace.com/videos/v/66xhzljk9ztd2fcarjhmbnpf2fer4r</a></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Second half: <a href="https://howwewin.squarespace.com/videos/v/l38zdy5c37l2cc8mmn4kbkcxaes6r3">https://howwewin.squarespace.com/videos/v/l38zdy5c37l2cc8mmn4kbkcxaes6r3</a></p><p class="is-empty is-editor-empty" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Interview on the topic: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glr3tQRmNFA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glr3tQRmNFA</a></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Join Our Community</p><p class="preFade fadeIn" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Read and watch more of Vasile's research and join our community at <a href="https://winforanimals.org/">winforanimals.org</a></p>
December 12, 2025
Ep 17: Combating Misinformation in the Animal Advocacy Movement
Vasile Stanescu discusses combating misinformation within the animal advocacy movement, highlighting government subsidies for animal agriculture and the importance of accurate data, in this interview episode.
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<p>Vasile Stanescu, Ph.D. (he/him) is an associate professor of communication, and has published extensively on animal liberation. Devs Stanescu (they/them) is an engineer and activist. Vas and Devs are a husband and spouse that have been vegan for 20 years.</p> <p>Veganism is not a diet. Veganism is not a lifestyle choice. Veganism is, and must be, a social justice movement in solidarity with other social justice movements. Humans’ exploitation of other animals is causing immense harm not only to those other animals, but to the very planetary systems that we all depend on to survive. There is no time to waste - we need to win for animals, and we need to do it now. In this podcast, we will explore what the movement for animal liberation is doing right, things we need to just cut out already, and, ultimately, how to win. We will laugh, rage, debunk, strategize, connect, and fight. And, in solidarity with you, and with all animals, we are going to win. </p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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