- 12
- Episodes
- 2
- Ratings
- 2024
- First episode
- 46K
- YouTube views
About In That Case
In That Case is a podcast from Shook, Hardy & Bacon featuring candid discussions between attorneys in the firm’s Orange County Office.
- Publisher
- Shook, Hardy & Bacon
- Category
- business · government
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 14 Mar 2024
- Latest episode
- 20 Mar 2025
Latest episodes
12 episodes in the feed.
20 Mar 2025
Regulating the Regulators: The Legal Battle Over EPA's Clean Air Authority
In this episode of In That Case, Shook attorney Henry Adams discusses Ohio v. EPA, a case examining the EPA’s authority under the Clean Air Act and its regulation of interstate pollution through the Good Neighbor Rule. The conversation explores the legal and procedural challenges surrounding the EPA’s rejection of multiple state implementation plans (SIPs) and the subsequent federal implementation plan (FIP) and the broader implications for administrative law and agency power. The hosts break down key arguments from the majority and dissenting opinions, highlighting the complexities of regulatory decision-making and judicial oversight. Case: Ohio v. Environmental Protection Agency Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/a/adams-henry)to learn more about Shook attorney Henry Adams. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
5 Feb 2025
Redefining Administrative Enforcement Power / Environmental Implications
In this episode of In That Case, Kansas City attorney Joseph Zaleski unpacks the Supreme Court's landmark 2024 administrative law decision in SEC v. Jarkesy. The Court ruled that a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission civil administrative enforcement action seeking civil penalties violated the Seventh Amendment’s right to a jury trial. Joe explores the historical precedents, the public rights doctrine, and what this decision means for the future of administrative enforcement, particularly in environmental law and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency enforcement. Listen for an insightful discussion on how this ruling could reshape the scope of federal administrative enforcement in the future. Case: SEC v. Jarkesy Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/z/zaleski-joe)to learn more about Shook attorney Joseph Zaleski. Click here (https://www.shb.com/services/practices/environmental/toxic-tort-and-exposure-litigation) to learn more about Shook's Toxic Tort and Exposure Litigation practice. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
20 Nov 2024
Edward Danielyan - When Is Arbitration Just Another Contract?
Shook attorney Edward Danielyan explores the California Supreme Court's ruling in Quach v. Commerce Club, redefining arbitration boundaries in employment disputes.
20 Nov 2024
Whistleblower Protections and Medicare Fraud
Shook attorney Edward Danielyan examines the Ninth Circuit's en banc decision in Stein v. Kaiser, revealing crucial insights on whistleblower protections and the implications for future qui tam actions.
7 Oct 2024
Digital Data on Trial with Henry Adams
In this episode, Shook attorney, Henry Adams dives into Briskin v. Shopify, a Ninth Circuit case examining whether California courts have jurisdiction to hear a lawsuit filed against Shopify, a Canada-based company, who allegedly violated California’s Consumer Privacy Act by failing to disclose the collection of data from California consumers. We explore the complexities of personal jurisdiction in the digital age, focusing on how back-end software companies like Shopify navigate legal challenges tied to data and state privacy laws. Case: Briskin v. Shopify, Inc., 87 F.4th 404 (9th Cir. 2023) Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/a/adams-henry)to learn more about Shook attorney Henry Adams. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
26 Jun 2024
Polly Tran: Artificial Intelligence Cannot Be Listed as an Inventor
Shook Associate Polly Tran, together with other attorneys from the Orange County Office, take a brief look into the case of Thaler v. Hirshfeld. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia ruled in favor of the United States Patent and Trademark Office, affirming that artificial intelligence cannot be listed as an inventor on a patent. The court emphasized that the Patent Act requires inventors to be natural persons and rejected arguments to expand this definition to include AI, leaving the possibility of amendment to Congress in the future. Case: Thaler v. Hirshfeld, 558 F. Supp. 3d, 238 (E.D. Va. 2021). Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/t/tran-paulina) to learn more about Shook attorney Polly Tran Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
26 Jun 2024
Web Scraping
Shook Associate Polly Tran, together with other attorneys from the Orange County Office, has brought attention to a case involving hiQ Labs versus LinkedIn, which centers around web scraping and the collection of data from public profiles on LinkedIn. Despite LinkedIn's efforts to prevent web scraping, the Ninth Circuit ultimately ruled in favor of hiQ Labs. They interpreted the phrase "without authorization" in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act narrowly, affirming the preliminary injunction against LinkedIn. This decision was based on the understanding that data on platforms like LinkedIn are publicly available, and the data scraping company utilized bots to gather information from LinkedIn. Case: hiQ Labs, Inc. v. LinkedIn Corp., 938 F.3d 985 (9th Cir. 2019) Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/t/tran-paulina) to learn more about Shook attorney Polly Tran Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
26 Jun 2024
Algorithmic Serendipity
Shook Orange County lawyers take a brief look into recent AI developments including the differences between traditional and generative AI. Shook Associate, Polly Tran, highlights a case where an appellant's use of fictitious AI-generated legal citations led to dismissal and sanctions by the Missouri Court of Appeals. The attorneys discuss the importance of adhering to court rules and the duty of candor, even when people represent themselves. Case: Kruse v. Karlen, No. ED111172, Missouri Court of Appeals Eastern District (Mo. App. E.D. Feb. 13, 2024). Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/t/tran-paulina) to learn more about Shook attorney Polly Tran Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
28 Mar 2024
Wetland Woes
In the fourth episode of “In That Case,” Shook's latest podcast series, Orange County lawyer Brandon Gilligan discusses Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency. This case is about a couple who faced exorbitant fines from the EPA for filling in a lake on their own land. Neighbors complained it was a protected wetland and notified the EPA. Let’s listen in as Shook lawyers discuss why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the couple. The United States Supreme Court, 21-454, May 25, 2023. Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/g/gilligan-brandon) to learn more about Brandon Gilligan. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
14 Mar 2024
Prop 65 Claim Against Global Online Retailer
Should an online retailer be responsible for the labeling of every product it sells? In our third episode of our podcast series In That Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses with his colleagues, Lee v. Amazon, Inc., a Prop 65 case. Let’s listen to how the court made its decision impacting the world’s largest online retailer. California Court of Appeal) 76 Cal.App.5th 200 (2022) Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/w/wynsma-tom) to learn more about Tom Wynsma. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com)
14 Mar 2024
Water Sewer District Accused of Leaking Waste Water
Shook Orange County lawyers take a brief look into the outcomes of cases that may impact business in California and nationally. In our second episode of our podcast series In that Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses Cottonwood Environmental Law Center v. Edwards. The case is a Clean Water Act claim. Let’s listen to how the court determined its decision in favor of the sewer district accused of discharging waste water into a river. Cottonwood Environmental Law Center v. Edwards (U.S. Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit) – 86 F.4th 1255 (2023) Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/w/wynsma-tom) to learn more about Tom Wynsma. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
14 Mar 2024
Utility Accused of Overcharging Customers
Shook Orange County lawyers take a brief look into the outcome of cases that may impact business in California and nationally. In our first episode of our podcast series In That Case, Shook attorney Tom Wynsma discusses East Texas Electric Cooperative, Inc. v. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit) with his Orange County office colleagues. Let’s listen into the debate whether fees charged by a utility were warranted or an overcharge to customers. East Texas Electric Cooperative, Inc. v. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (U.S. Court of Appeals, D.C. Circuit) Click here (https://www.shb.com/professionals/w/wynsma-tom) to learn more about Tom Wynsma. Click here (https://www.shb.com/locations/orange-county) to learn more about Shook's Orange County office. Please follow us on social media at: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/shook-hardy-&-bacon/) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CCKQXQ2BCWaBr29mAwWiQ) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/ (https://www.instagram.com/shookhardybacon/) www.shb.com (https://www.shb.com/)
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- YouTube views
- 46,339
- Score snapshot 15 Sept 2025
- Apple Podcasts (US)
- 5.0 / 5
- 2 ratings
Podcast Authority Score: 32 / 100
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- 3
- Social presence
- 94
- YouTube
- 76
- Engagement
- 32
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