Where managers and people leaders explore what it takes to lead well in modern teams. AI-powered, manager-led, and grounded in the flow of work. Real stories, tough lessons, and practical ideas for setting expectations, giving feedback, and keeping performance on track.
In the Flow of Work
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Where managers and people leaders explore what it takes to lead well in modern teams. AI-powered, manager-led, and grounded in the flow of work. Real stories, tough lessons, and practical ideas for setting expectations, giving feedback, and keeping performance on track.
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Recent Episodes
March 20, 2026
15 - Performance happens in between Reviews
<p>Jennifer Turner, Senior Director of People Operations at G2, joins Gavin to unpack what performance actually looks like inside a high-performing culture. Her perspective stands out because she treats performance less like an HR event and more like a daily operating rhythm grounded in clarity, feedback, and trust.</p><p><br /></p><p>In this episode, Jen shares why managers need to think like coaches, why “feedback is a gift” only works when it’s specific and timely, and how strong expectations help eliminate surprises. They also explore the role automation can play - not to replace judgment, but to make performance conversations easier and more consistent.</p><p><br /></p><p>It’s a practical conversation for HR leaders looking to build performance systems that feel lighter for managers, clearer for employees, and more connected to how work actually gets done.</p><p>---</p><p>This episode was brought to you by <a href="https://www.notion.so/Topicflow-Foundations-2ac498d0cc4e80e188d5cea533705187?pvs=21" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Topicflow</a> — the team building the next generation of agentic performance management.</p><p>---</p><p>Connect with the hosts and guest:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-johnston/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gavin Johnston</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aminpali/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amin Palizban</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyrie-burgoine-8941a172/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermcpherrinturner?utm_source=chatgpt.com" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jennifer Turner</a></p>
March 11, 2026
14 - AI Meets the Manager Crisis
<p>Many of you know the famous Stephen Huerta. If you don’t, he is the co-host of Modern People Leader and a 25-year HR operator whose career spans consulting, corporate HR, HR tech, and media. He brings a sharp point of view on what managers are really carrying right now.</p><p>In this episode, Stephen breaks down how HR’s push for scale quietly dumped performance work, survey follow-up, and talent development onto managers - then AI showed up and raised the stakes again. The conversation gets into manager overload, change management, trust, and why performance reviews are still here even if nobody loves them.</p><p>Amin and Gavin push on what better looks like: less admin, better feedback, and performance inputs captured in the flow of work so talent decisions can get faster, cleaner, and more fair.</p><p><br></p><p>---</p><p><br></p><p>This episode was brought to you by <a href="https://www.notion.so/14-Stephen-Huerta-Modern-People-Leader-March-11-2026-2f5498d0cc4e80e7a44cd3b226fb469e?pvs=21">Topicflow</a> - the team building the next generation of agentic performance management.</p><p><br></p><p>---</p><p><br></p><p>Connect with the hosts and guest on LinkedIn:</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-johnston/">Gavin Johnston</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aminpali/">Amin Palizban</a> | <a href="linkedin.com/in/stephenhuerta/">Stephen Huerta</a></p>
February 19, 2026
13 - Structure doesn’t kill culture - bad structure does
<p>Ryan-Mae McAvoy, VP of People Ops at Blackthorn, joins Gavin Johnston to share how she thinks about performance when a company is scaling fast, staying remote, and trying to keep trust intact.</p><p>We get into what managers actually need when “vibes” stop working - why Blackthorn treats bi-weekly 1:1s as non-negotiable, how to add guardrails without creating red tape, and why clarity beats ratings when you want fairness and real accountability.</p><p>In the Flow of Work exists to help HR leaders build performance systems that managers can run and cultures people want to stay in.</p><p>This episode was brought to you by Topicflow — the team building the next generation of agentic performance management.</p><p>---</p><p>This episode was brought to you by <a href="https://www.notion.so/Topicflow-Foundations-2ac498d0cc4e80e188d5cea533705187?pvs=21"><strong>Topicflow</strong></a> — the team building the next generation of agentic performance management.</p><p>---</p><p>Connect with the hosts and guest on LinkedIn:</p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-johnston/">Gavin Johnston</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aminpali/">Amin Palizban</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rm80920/">Ryan-Mae McAvoy</a></p>
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