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IP Provocations

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Patents are supposed to facilitate cutting edge science and innovation, and enable the spread of ideas and knowledge. But is that how they actually work in practice? Join hosts Rebecca Giblin and Kimberlee Weatherall as they explore this question with the help of brilliant guests from around the world. This podcast is a project of IPRIA, the Intellectual Property Research Institute of Australia, with additional support from IP Australia, Melbourne Law School, and Sydney Law School. The show's music was composed and recorded by Nina Buchanan.

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September 25, 2023

The wrap-up

In the season one finale of IP Provocations, we’re joined by barrister Amy Surkis to reflect on the series and ponder what we’ve learned. Amy is an expert IP barrister and was our stellar research assistant this season. We chat about what has surprised us and stuck with us from across the series. In particular, we unpack the interplay between patent systems, and broader socio-economic systems, and the extent to which patent laws replicate existing inequalities. How does the patent system act as a feedback loop, rewarding wealth and privilege with more wealth and privilege? And what can we do about it? Thank-you so much for joining us on this exploration! We hope to see you for a second season in which we delve into even more provocative questions around IP and data. IP Provocations is hosted by the Melbourne Law School’s Professor Rebecca Giblin, and the University of Sydney’s Professor Kimberlee Weatherall. You can read more about Giblin’s work <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/rebecca-giblin">here</a>, and Weatherall’s work <a href="https://www.sydney.edu.au/law/about/our-people/academic-staff/kimberlee-weatherall.html">here</a>. This episode’s guest is: Amy Surkis is a barrister and IP Provocations’ research assistant. She is a general commercial litigator with a scientific background and over 10 years’ experience. Amy has particular expertise in intellectual property litigation and has extensive experience leading complex patent litigation matters in the Federal Court of Australia, both at first instance and appeal. She has recently been recognised as a Rising Star in Intellectual property by Doyles (2022) and Managing IP (2019). Read more about Amy at her <a href="https://www.vicbar.com.au/profile/10438">Victorian Bar profile</a>. IP Provocations is made with the support of <a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/">IP Australia</a> - we’re grateful to have had the opportunity to ask such broad ranging questions about the patent system to such interesting people, and get so many surprising answers. The IP Provocations team had full academic freedom in designing these conversations, and the views expressed are those of the individual speakers. This podcast was a project of IPRIA, the Intellectual Property Research Institute of Australia, and had additional support from Melbourne Law School and Sydney Law School. The music was composed and recorded by Nina Buchanan. The hosts are Professors Rebecca Giblin and Kimberlee Weatherall, and research support was provided by barrister <a href="https://www.listgbarristers.com.au/barristers/amy-surkis">Amy Surkis</a>. The producer is <a href="https://gretarobenstone.info">Greta Robenstone</a>. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersfurze/">Anders Furze </a>filled in all the remaining gaps. IP Provocations acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the lands on which this podcast was produced, the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung People of the Kulin Nation, and the Gadigal people of the Eora nation. We pay our respects to their Elders, past and present. This podcast was produced on stolen land - sovereignty was never ceded. Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

September 18, 2023

On Australia’s first inventors - and living sustainably together

In this very special episode of IP Provocations, Rebecca and Kim talk to Larissa Behrendt about First Nations innovation - and what we can learn from the people who lived sustainably in the land now known as Australia for over 65,000 years. Drawing upon the themes of Behrendt’s new documentary series The First Inventors, Behrendt speaks about how First Nations’ technologies can tackle climate change, and how Indigenous storytelling, governance and kinship systems are integral to First Nations innovation. She talks about First Nations invention as an entire system of cultural knowledges and understandings sitting outside the Western IP system, and how The First Inventors highlights best practice, Indigenous-led research collaboration. We also raise the story of David Unaipon’s extraordinary inventiveness. A Ngarrindjeri man of the Coorong region, Unaipon invented a dazzling array of technologies in the early 20th century. He came up with the idea for a vertical flying machine based on boomerang aerodynamics over a decade before helicopters were invented, and his revolutionary approach to sheep shearing technology generated a huge amount of wealth for white Australians, transforming the economy at the time. You can see the patent for his sheers in the openings to all our video episodes! Read more about Unaipon in <a href="https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/unaipon-behind-the-da-vinci-comparisons">this piece written in Pursuit</a>. IP Provocations is hosted by the Melbourne Law School’s Professor Rebecca Giblin, and the University of Sydney’s Professor Kimberlee Weatherall. You can read more about Giblin’s work <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/rebecca-giblin">here</a>, and Weatherall’s work <a href="https://www.sydney.edu.au/law/about/our-people/academic-staff/kimberlee-weatherall.html">here</a>. This episode’s guests are: Larissa Behrendt is a Eualeyai/Kamillaroi woman. She is an award-winning author and filmmaker, a lawyer and the Professor of Law and Director of Research at the <a href="https://www.uts.edu.au/research/jumbunna-institute-indigenous-education-and-research">Jumbunna Institute for Indigenous Education and Research</a> at the University of Technology, Sydney. She is the host of ABC Radio National show <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/speakingout">Speaking Out</a>. She is the director of The First Inventors, a four-part series that tells the story of First Nations innovation. You can read more about all of Behrendt’s work at <a href="https://www.larissabehrendt.com.au/">her website</a>. If you’re in Australia, you can watch The First Inventors on <a href="https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-series/the-first-inventors">SBS On Demand</a> or <a href="https://10play.com.au/the-first-inventors/episodes/season-1/episode-1/tpv230613trzpj">Ten Play</a>. IP Provocations is made with the support of <a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/">IP Australia</a> - we’re grateful to have had the opportunity to ask such broad ranging questions about the patent system to such interesting people, and get so many surprising answers. The IP Provocations team had full academic freedom in designing these conversations, and the views expressed are those of the individual speakers. This podcast was a project of IPRIA, the Intellectual Property Research Institute of Australia, and had additional support from Melbourne Law School and Sydney Law School. The music was composed and recorded by Nina Buchanan. The hosts are Professors Rebecca Giblin and Kimberlee Weatherall, and research support was provided by barrister <a href="https://www.listgbarristers.com.au/barristers/amy-surkis">Amy Surkis</a>. The producer is <a href="https://gretarobenstone.info">Greta Robenstone</a>. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersfurze/">Anders Furze </a>filled in all the remaining gaps. IP Provocations acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the lands on which this podcast was produced, the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung People of the Kulin Nation, and the Gadigal people of the Eora nation. We pay our respects to their Elders, past and present. This podcast was produced on stolen land - sovereignty was never ceded. Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

September 10, 2023

Greed v Need: Does the patent system incentivise the right things? Part Two

In part 2 of this extended conversation with activist Achal Prabhala and the WTO’s Tony Taubman, we pick up where we left off, asking if the approach taken to the Medicines Patent Pool could also be used to drive our response to the climate emergency. We then tackle a host of thorny patent issues. Should we focus on the distribution of knowledge, and not just generating more of it? Just how bad is the problem of patent trolls? Why are Moderna and Pfizer facing messy legal disputes over the IP behind COVID-19 vaccines? What did the controversial TRIPS waiver actually do? And what are the limits of patents in incentivising innovation? IP Provocations is hosted by the Melbourne Law School’s Professor Rebecca Giblin, and the University of Sydney’s Professor Kimberlee Weatherall. You can read more about Giblin’s work <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/rebecca-giblin">here</a>, and Weatherall’s work <a href="https://www.sydney.edu.au/law/about/our-people/academic-staff/kimberlee-weatherall.html">here</a>. This episode’s guests are: Antony Taubman is Director of the Intellectual Property, Government Procurement and Competitive Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), a position he has held since 2009. He is also a Senior Fellow (Melbourne Law Masters) at the Melbourne Law School. You can read more about him at his <a href="https://law.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/antony-taubman">Melbourne Law School profile</a>. Archal Prabhala is a Bangalore-based activist, writer, researcher and filmmaker. He is the coordinator of the AccessIBSA project, which campaigns for access to medicines in India, Brazil and South Africa. You can read more about the project at <a href="https://accessibsa.org/about/">its website</a>. IP Provocations is made with the support of <a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/">IP Australia</a> - we’re grateful to have had the opportunity to ask such broad ranging questions about the patent system to such interesting people, and get so many surprising answers. The IP Provocations team had full academic freedom in designing these conversations, and the views expressed are those of the individual speakers. This podcast was a project of IPRIA, the Intellectual Property Research Institute of Australia, and had additional support from Melbourne Law School and Sydney Law School. The music was composed and recorded by Nina Buchanan. The hosts are Professors Rebecca Giblin and Kimberlee Weatherall, and research support was provided by barrister <a href="https://www.listgbarristers.com.au/barristers/amy-surkis">Amy Surkis</a>. The producer is <a href="https://gretarobenstone.info">Greta Robenstone</a>. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersfurze/">Anders Furze </a>filled in all the remaining gaps. IP Provocations acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the lands on which this podcast was produced, the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung People of the Kulin Nation, and the Gadigal people of the Eora nation. We pay our respects to their Elders, past and present. This podcast was produced on stolen land - sovereignty was never ceded. Always was, always will be, Aboriginal land.

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What is IP Provocations?: Patents are supposed to facilitate cutting edge science and innovation, and enable the spread of ideas and knowledge. But is that how they actually work in practice? Join hosts Rebecca Giblin and Kimberlee Weatherall as they explore this question with the help of brilliant guests from around the world.

This podcast is a project of IPRIA, the Intellectual Property Research Institute of Australia, with additional support from IP Australia, Melbourne Law School, and Sydney Law School. The show's music was composed and recorded by Nina Buchanan.
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates daily.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 4 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
Does this podcast accept guests?: Yes, this podcast regularly features guests.

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