A podcast in which a guy with “some college” and a day job asks experts questions about biblical studies.

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A podcast in which a guy with “some college” and a day job asks experts questions about biblical studies.
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Recent Episodes

February 6, 2026
Episode 113: Reading Creation Myths Economically with Eric J Harvey
<p>Eric Harvey discusses his recent work on creation myths, divine service, and the economic implications of ancient religious practices. He explores the differences between Mesopotamian and biblical narratives, particularly in terms of sacrifice and the needs of the divine. The discussion highlights the complexity of ancient texts and the importance of understanding them within their cultural context. Resources included mentioned in this episode include <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https:/geha.paginas.ufsc.br/files/2017/04/Atrahasis.pdf"><i>Atrahasis</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bodies-of-god-and-the-world-of-ancient-israel/72E589D9BD86AEDF5DBF5043453C203F"><i>The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/563773/god-an-anatomy-by-francesca-stavrakopoulou/"><i>God: An Anatomy</i></a>; scholar <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.15699/jbl.1394.2020.1">Bruce Wells</a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.ucpress.edu/books/the-consuming-fire/paper"><i>The Consuming Fire: The Complete Priestly Source, from Creation to the Promised Land</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.routledge.com/Food-in-Ancient-Judah-Domestic-Cooking-in-the-Time-of-the-Hebrew-Bible/Shafer-Elliott/p/book/9780367872229"><i>Food in Ancient Judah: Domestic Cooking in the Time of the Hebrew Bible</i></a>; scholar <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.uwinnipeg.ca/history/faculty-staff/roland-bohr.html">Roland Bohr</a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-bible-with-and-without-jesus-amy-jill-levinemarc-zvi-brettler?variant=39971192799266"><i>The Bible With and Without Jesus: How Jews and Christians Read the Same Stories Differently</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374109288/beautyland/"><i>Beautyland: A Novel</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/TM9/a-thursday-murder-club-mystery/"><i>A Thursday Murder Club</i></a>; and <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.blindscholar.com/">Eric’s blog</a>.</p>

January 30, 2026
Episode 112: On Having a Body with Jennie Grillo
<p>Jennie Grillo, an Associate Professor of Theology at the University of Notre Dame, discusses her insights on divine embodiment in the Hebrew Bible, particularly in relation to the work of Benjamin Sommer. The conversation explores the complexities of how God is represented in biblical texts, the significance of embodiment, and the implications of time in understanding these representations. Grillo emphasizes the fluidity of divine embodiment and the distinctions between human and divine experiences of having a body, drawing on examples from the Book of Job and other biblical narratives. Recommendations in this conversation include <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bodies-of-god-and-the-world-of-ancient-israel/72E589D9BD86AEDF5DBF5043453C203F"><i>The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel</i></a>; historian <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://history.columbia.edu/person/bynum-caroline/">Caroline Bynum</a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://ptsem.edu/academics/faculty/mark-s-smith/">Mark S Smith</a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110206715/html?lang=en#:~:text=About%20this%20book,the%20%22%C4%ABsh%20theophany%22."><i>“When Gods Were Men”: The Embodied God in Biblical and Near Eastern Literature</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-prophetic-body-9780197604960?cc=us&lang=en&"><i>The Prophetic Body: Embodiment and Mediation in Biblical Prophetic Literature</i></a>; <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/107406/the-betrothed-by-alessandro-manzoni/"><i>The Betrothed: A Novel</i></a>; and <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/305612/call-the-midwife-by-jennifer-worth/"><i>Call the Midwife: A Memoir of Birth, Joy, and Hard Times</i></a>.</p>

January 23, 2026
Episode 111: Colossians Remixed with Brian Walsh & Sylvia Keesmaat
<p>In this conversation, Brian Walsh and Sylvia Keesmaat (of <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.russethousefarm.ca/welcome">Russet House Farm</a>) discuss their book <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.ivpress.com/colossians-remixed?srsltid=AfmBOoqQ35GGjLSwv6Lc0F2RKcFugmE_OStx7xzZUf_VirBoX1YkJMlg"><i>Colossians Remixed: Subverting the Empire</i></a>. In the book they explore the themes of inevitability and possibility through the lens of biblical narratives. They also emphasize the importance of living with hope and the belief that God can make the impossible possible, urging listeners to embrace a future of reconciliation and new beginnings. Recommendations from this conversation can be found in the show notes for this episode at:</p><p><a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-111-with-148004507?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link">https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-111-with-148004507?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link</a></p>
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