Just Schools
Claim This Podcastby Jon Eckert, Baylor’s Center For School Leadership
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<p>Jon Eckert, Executive Director, Baylor Center for School Leadership interviews leading experts, both educators and parents, who have evidence and experience that kids can become more of who they were created to be. The Joy Over Happiness podcast, showcases inspiring stories of joy through adversity, belonging, and curiosity. In just 20-30 minutes per episode, we offer actionable tips and uplifting messages to empower everyone to continue doing the critical work that shows kids that joy is better than happiness.</p>
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Recent Episodes
June 16, 2026
Beyond Superheroes: Lindsay Whorton
<p>In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Dr. Lindsay Whorton, President of the Holdsworth Center and author of A New School Leadership Architecture, about why the future of school leadership depends less on superheroes and more on sustainable systems. Drawing on her work with districts across Texas, Lindsay shares how schools can rethink leadership roles to better support teachers, develop future leaders, and create conditions where both educators and students can flourish.</p><p><br></p><p>From building cultures of ownership instead of buy-in to creating leadership structures that distribute responsibility rather than concentrate it, this conversation explores how schools can meet growing challenges without burning out the people doing the work.</p><p><br></p><p>Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/02fdxGr7" rel="nofollow">A New School Leadership Architecture: A Four-Level Framework for Reimagining Roles</a> by Lindsay Whorton</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/03BF3RIW" rel="nofollow">Middlemarch</a> by George Eliot</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/0e8N5Oiw" rel="nofollow">Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better</a> by David Epstein</p><p><br></p><p>Connect with us:</p><p><a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a></p><p><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a></p>
June 2, 2026
Joyful Learning: Bryan Goodwin
<p>In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert has a conversation with Bryan Goodwin, Deputy Executive Director, McREL Institute at Region 13, about what joyful learning actually looks like in classrooms. Bryan explores why joy isn't the absence of struggle but often found in the process of learning, growing, and overcoming challenges.</p><p>From the power of curiosity and collaborative inquiry to the value of storytelling, boredom, and meaningful questions, Bryan shares how educators can create conditions where students and teachers experience genuine engagement.</p><p><br></p><p>This conversation is a reminder that joyful learning isn't about making everything easy. It's about creating opportunities for people to discover, persevere, and find meaning in the work of becoming better.</p><p><br></p><p>Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/07hZK9xI" rel="nofollow">The Happiness Crisis</a> by Jon Eckert</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/08tYyEt1" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Your Life</a> by Arthur Brooks</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/03jf0VYE" rel="nofollow">The Flourishing Factor</a> by Chris Egan Teaching</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/00awqaXz" rel="nofollow">Reaching Kids Who Don't Fit Inside the Box </a>by Pete Hall</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/0gyHVkMe" rel="nofollow">Charlie Hustle</a> by Keith O'Brien</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/0hLDopR1" rel="nofollow">Never Work Harder Than Your Students</a> by Robyn Jackson</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Connect with us:</p><p><a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a></p><p><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a></p>
May 19, 2026
Work is Making the Unseen Seen: David Kim
<p>In this episode of JOY over Happiness, Dr. Jon Eckert talks with Rev. Dr. David Kim, CEO and co-founder of <a href="https://goldenwoodnyc.org/" rel="nofollow">Goldenwood,</a> about AI and vocation. David's passion is to help people and organizations see the unseen realities that give rise to the world we create.</p><p><br></p><p>David shares why the future will belong not just to efficiency, but to people who can cultivate curiosity, connection, and creativity in a rapidly changing world.</p><p><br></p><p>Mentioned:</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/0hsXhVGM" rel="nofollow">Every Good Endeavor</a> by Tim Keller and Katherine Leary Alsdorf</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/04hdpki6" rel="nofollow">Unreasonable Hospitality</a> by Will Guidara</p><p><a href="https://harpers.org/archive/2025/12/the-tune-of-things-christian-wiman-consciousness-god/" rel="nofollow">“The Tune of Things”</a> by Christian Wiman</p><p><br></p><p>Connect with us:</p><p><a href="https://bcsl.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Center for School Leadership at Baylor University</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/baylorcsl/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a></p><p><a href="https://maschoolleadership.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="nofollow">Baylor MA in School Leadership</a></p>
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<p>Jon Eckert, Executive Director, Baylor Center for School Leadership interviews leading experts, both educators and parents, who have evidence and experience that kids can become more of who they were created to be. The Joy Over Happiness podcast, showcases inspiring stories of joy through adversity, belonging, and curiosity. In just 20-30 minutes per episode, we offer actionable tips and uplifting messages to empower everyone to continue doing the critical work that shows kids that joy is better than happiness.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
This podcast updates weekly.
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