This weekly podcast features insightful conversations between host Chip Kahn and his guests, who discuss the business of health care, connecting the dots between the health care business, policy, and patients.
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When health systems are stressed, Martin McKee has been there taking notes. He's spent four decades studying collapse and recovery — the post-Soviet transition, the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID-19 pandemic. Now, as professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and research director of the European Observatory on Health Systems and Policies, he's turned that lens on AI. He arrives at a charged moment: America is locked in a debate over whether AI development should slow down or even pause. Europe made a different choice — binding AI with some of the world's strictest rules. After a run of episodes examining AI through a U.S. lens, Chip and McKee cross the Atlantic: What does the American debate look like from Europe — and does regulation offer an answer that a pause cannot?
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29 Sept 2026
What Should Health Care Do About AI’s Lack of Guardrails?
In another concerning example of AI agents going rogue recently, an OpenAI agent hacked into an Australian government website containing health care data. While some industry CEOs are calling for a slowdown and demands for regulation grow, host Chip Kahn focuses on the implications for health care when these same kinds of AI systems are already at work in hospitals — in billing, in scheduling, and increasingly in decisions about patients. To consider how health care should respond, Chip talks with Stephen Klasko, a physician, former health system CEO, and now an industry leader who sits on both sides of the issues, working with the labs building the technology and focusing on patient care initiatives through his work at General Catalyst and as CEO of the Health Assurance Foundation. Klasko says there's time to act and the answer isn’t a “pause.” Among his recommendations are creating a 9/11-style commission for AI in health, adding AI safety to health system board agendas, a 30-minute rule for tackling rogue agents, and giving frontline staff the authority to pull the plug.
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22 Sept 2026
AI: To Regulate, or Not to Regulate?
Across the tech industry, many of AI's own leaders are calling for oversight — self-imposed or from government. That debate is on, but where it will land is anyone's guess. Joe Grogan takes a different tack: the biggest threat in health care AI may not be too little regulation, but the wrong kind. And he has seen regulation from the seats where it gets made: the White House Domestic Policy Council, the federal health care budget at OMB, and before Washington, the industry side of bringing a cure for Hepatitis C to patients. Chip and Grogan discuss the federal government's proper role in regulating generative AI, the growing patchwork of state AI laws, why CMS reimbursement structures need to change, and how Europe's cautious approach is impeding the technology's growth. Grogan closes with his two biggest worries: fear-driven policy that bans innovation outright, and the risk to patients' most sensitive data as AI's appetite for it grows.
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