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Law://WhatsNext

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How are leading practitioners leveraging emerging technologies and ways of working to pursue their passion and objectives, and as a by product what are the implications for the future of legal practice? Let’s explore this together. What to expect: - Focused conversations with leading practitioners; technologists and educators - Deep dives into the intersection of law, technology, and organisational behaviour - Practical analysis and visualisation of how AI is augmenting our potential - Insights from adjacent industries that might inform our own

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July 8, 2026

Legal Tech Trends with Peter Duffy (Q2 2026)

🎙️ <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pdffy/">Peter Duffy</a> is back for our quarterly deep dive into the biggest stories from his ever-popular <a href="https://legaltechtrends.substack.com/">Legal Tech Trends newsletter</a>. It's been quite the quarter: a $500 million headline from Kirkland, frontier model companies falling over each other to claim legal, and the US government switching off a frontier model for the entire world. As Peter puts it: "What a bizarre world that we live in."---What we dive into:Kirkland's $500m statement of intent — The announcement that rocked the market, and the nuance beneath it: Palantir (not an internal team) is helping building a platform, third-party procurement continues, and what counts as "investment" when partner hours bill at thousands of dollars? Either way, the proprietary layer marks that fascinating shift from service provider to potential product provider.The frontier land grab for legal — Ex-Ironclad CEO Jason Boehmig joins OpenAI to lead its legal vertical, Freshfields signs a multi-year deal with Anthropic, and Perplexity launches Computer for Counsel. Peter shares his three-lens test for reading these partnerships — and why the real battle might be for the interface lawyers work through every day.The fortnight the US switched off Fable — AI's first true geopolitical moment. A jailbreak, an export-control order, and the awkward detail that other models could reportedly do the same thing. We nerd out on the eerily prescient Europe 2031 scenario published the day before, and what it all means for sovereignty and model dependency.Revolut Partners and the AI-audited panel — Out goes the static law firm panel; in comes a performance-based roster with quarterly reviews and internal AI tools to run RFPs and scrutinise advice and invoices. ---Listen if: You want a hype-free tour of the quarter that was.Rate, subscribe, comment, and share if you enjoyed this chat with Peter!---For more conversations at the intersection of law and technology, head to <a href="https://lawwhatsnext.substack.com/">https://lawwhatsnext.substack.com/</a>.---Show notes / links:<ul><li>Peter's Legal Tech Trends newsletter: <a href="https://legaltechtrends.substack.com/">https://legaltechtrends.substack.com/</a></li><li>Europe 2031: <a href="https://europe2031.ai/">https://europe2031.ai/</a></li><li>Legal Hops Amsterdam — Peter's quarterly meet-up (boat party included): <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12922521/">https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12922521/</a></li></ul>

July 1, 2026

Governing AI Agents Like a Legal System with Will Lilley

🎙️ This week we sit down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-lilley/">Will Lilley</a> who has built something genuinely strange and uniquely clever: the <a href="https://github.com/wlilley93/vibe-justice-system">Vibe Justice System</a>, a working governance layer for AI-assisted work, complete with courts, a constitution, a Gazette, and 150+ recorded judgments that cite one another like real case law.It began with a familiar frustration. AI agents make endless micro-decisions as they work, then forget them the moment a session ends. Will calls this "drift," and his answer was to give the agent a "definition of correct" that is explicit, durable and self-enforcing. The crucial distinction, as he explains, is that this isn't a bigger or better CLAUDE.md. A rules file tells an agent what to do, but the agent forgets to read it, and you could never write down every rule your workflow needs in the first place.---Will's system is principle-based, like common law: instead of front-loading every instruction, it lets the agent reason against principles and generatively build its own rule system — recording decisions as judgments, citing precedent, and aligning over time around what "correct" means for the project.For our audience, Will frames the potential utility of the system as being capable of applying across three buckets of work: project work (any repo or directory: code, contracts, a litigation timeline, a due-diligence checklist), linear workflows that move through deterministic steps, and non-linear work, with litigation as the apex case where you only know the next move from the current one. ---Connect with Will Lilley — Product Operations at Clara | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-lilley/">LinkedIn</a>Vibe Justice System — the full repo, including the Gazette, Acts and judgments: <a href="https://github.com/wlilley93/vibe-justice-system">github.com/wlilley93/vibe-justice-system</a>---If you enjoyed this conversation, please share it with someone who'd get something out of it — and if you have a moment, tell us what resonated, what didn't, and rate the show (it genuinely helps us reach more listeners and land great guests).---For more conversations at the intersection of law and technology, head to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://lawwhatsnext.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

June 24, 2026

Pop the Hood: Antti Innanen on Building Legal AI in the Open

67 agents, 155,000 lines of code, and not really a product — why one of the most insightful legal AI experiences right now is one you can see inside. ---🎙️ This week we sit down with <a href="https://github.com/AnttiHero">Antti Innanen</a> — Finnish lawyer, law firm founder, legal designer and professor of practice — the mind behind <a href="https://lavern.ai">Lavern</a>, and one of the most prolific builders in legal tech, shipping open-source experiments at rap-album pace.Lavern is the headline act — 67 specialist legal agents that debate, verify, and escalate, released free under Apache 2.0 not as a product but as an artifact you're invited to pull apart. As Antti puts it, it's the first agentic legal tool where you can actually pop the hood and look inside.---This is a conversation about building in the open. Antti walks us through Lavern live — the intake modes, the 67-agent roster (Easter eggs included), the verification loops — and uses it as a way into bigger questions: why context is the whole game in legal AI, what it costs to run agents at the frontier, why he's closing a beloved legal-design business even as its ideas finally become scalable, and why "f***ing around" with AI might be the most responsible thing a lawyer can do right now.---Connect with Antti Innanen — Lawyer, legal designer & builder | <a href="https://lavern.ai">Lavern</a> (<a href="https://github.com/AnttiHero/lavern">GitHub repo</a>, 100% open) | Find him on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anttiinnanen/">LinkedIn</a>---If you enjoyed this conversation, please share it with someone who'd get something out of it — and if you have a moment, tell us what resonated, what didn't, and rate the show (it genuinely helps us reach more listeners and land great guests).One thing we'd love to hear: if you've forked or remixed Lavern — or taken it somewhere Antti didn't expect (access to justice, strategy, anything) tell us. We'd love to see it!---

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What is Law://WhatsNext?: How are leading practitioners leveraging emerging technologies and ways of working to pursue their passion and objectives, and as a by product what are the implications for the future of legal practice? Let’s explore this together. What to expect:

Focused conversations with leading practitioners; technologists and educators

Deep dives into the intersection of law, technology, and organisational behaviour

Practical analysis and visualisation of how AI is augmenting our potential

Insights from adjacent industries that might inform our own
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates daily.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 4 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
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