两把刷子|"风口行业+前景岗位"认知系列
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<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><b>【两把刷子】</b>是一档与职场专家对谈播客，期望通过互动与碰撞，捕捉风口行业/认知前景岗位，助您职场路上升官又发财！<br /><b>【节目主理人图道的签名】</b>前互联网大厂高级专家、顶级咨询公司数字化转型专家。职场转型/互动交流请加：ttddb2<br /><b>【天大的事】</b>双周更，不定期加更<b>。</b>免费订阅不迷路哦！<br /></p>
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May 31, 2026
64. 大厂人如何兼职反人性创业：卖股票养团队，副业熬成天使轮
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本期和阿里朋友闻春聊了聊他在阿里孵化副业的故事，在阿里7年间利用业余时间孵化租房平台「唯果」。从2020年蛋壳公寓暴雷埋下创业种子，到22年首个版本上线，再到25年全职All in、完成天使轮融资——他经历了从C2C直租到B2C平台、从广告模式到CPS成交抽佣的三次关键迭代。大厂人如何平衡主业与副业、租房行业到底还有没有机会，嘉宾的亲身经历能给我们很多思考。</span><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:00</span> 开场：阿里妈妈7年未换团队，技术专家的创业萌芽</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>03:00</span> 蛋壳暴雷触发：租房市场痛点与副业启动</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>09:00</span> 三年双轨并行：大厂996之外的反人性坚持</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>16:00</span> 首月即盈利：市场教育下的100元第一单</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>18:00</span> 三次迭代：从C2C直租→B2C商家→CPS成交抽佣</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>26:00</span> 破局虚假房源：控制交易链路，做中小商家的真房源平台</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>36:00</span> AI Agent落地：7×24小时找房助理与线下服务边界</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>43:00</span> 组织与融资：90%AI写代码，卖股票养团队到天使轮</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>45:00</span> 长期主义：亏损三年不下牌桌，一群人走得更远</p><span><br></span><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span>【嘉宾】徐闻春 唯果 创始人</span><br></p><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;">【主持人】图道 前阿里巴巴高级业务专家</p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span><span>更多交流，请加：</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4f0d-audiofreehighqps/85/2E/GKwRIMAN8gNSAAInhgShQ0dR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4f0d-audiofreehighqps/85/2E/GKwRIMAN8gNSAAInhgShQ0dR.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4f0d-audiofreehighqps/85/2E/GKwRIMAN8gNSAAInhgShQ0dR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1015.9279778393351" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4f0d-audiofreehighqps/85/2E/GKwRIMAN8gNSAAInhgShQ0dR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="189.63988919667588"></p>
May 5, 2026
63. 从TikTok硅谷到All in AI：创业半年就被收购
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本期邀请连续AI Agent创业者林淼哲，分享从TikTok硅谷回国创业的两次跃迁：从ToB Voice Agent到ToC法律仲裁助手，第一个Agent半年就被收购。他坦诚剖析了赛道选择的底层逻辑、AI产品架构设计，以及AI时代"产品经理即全栈"的团队进化论。无论你是想入局AI创业，还是好奇Agent落地的真实挑战，这期都不容错过。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:00</span> 开场：从TikTok硅谷回国，34岁All in AI创业。如何说服家人、克服沉没成本，斩断退路。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>03:00</span> 赛道选择：为何先ToB后ToC？出海vs国内、硬件vs软件的取舍逻辑。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>09:00</span> 第一个项目Voice Agent：电话外呼场景的竞争策略——不做"更好的打电话工具"，而是打通前后端全流程。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>13:00</span> ToB实战痛点：客户不会用AI系统、需要驻场教学；信息化未完成的下沉市场机会。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>25:00</span> 第二个项目ToC转型：劳动仲裁助手。低频场景获客难，"AI问人"反向引导的交互设计。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>35:00</span> 产品架构：状态机+Workflow，底层大模型选型（DeepSeek/Kimi+法律垂类模型），提示词反复调优。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>45:00</span> 团队进化：3人特种部队，产品经理兼设计（Figma）兼前端，服务端保留全栈，取消独立设计岗。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>52:00</span> 上线策略：种子用户谨慎开放，小红书人设运营测试，产品打磨重于增长。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>58:00</span> 盈利思考：Token非零边际成本，为何必须从第一天收费？订阅制vs广告模式的本质差异。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>65:00</span> 给后来者建议：先迈好第一步、长期主义做ToB、产品经理核心价值是洞察而非执行。</p><span><br></span><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span>【嘉宾】林淼哲 AI创业者</span><br></p><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;">【主持人】图道 前阿里巴巴高级业务专家</p><span><br></span><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">更多交流，请加：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5f96-audiofreehighqps/77/44/GAqhHAMNz1DbAAInhgSUgZNl.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5f96-audiofreehighqps/77/44/GAqhHAMNz1DbAAInhgSUgZNl.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5f96-audiofreehighqps/77/44/GAqhHAMNz1DbAAInhgSUgZNl.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1015.9279778393351" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/5f96-audiofreehighqps/77/44/GAqhHAMNz1DbAAInhgSUgZNl.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="189.63988919667588"><br></p><span><br></span><br>
April 19, 2026
62. 2026金三银四：职场交付思维大于投资思维
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这期是我和返场嘉宾Jonathan 时隔4年再次探讨当下职场，2022年那期曾创下全网近60万播放量，而那个时候播客才刚刚开始。这次谈话过程中间，明显感觉到Jonathan冷静很多，平常心、活在当下、少折腾成为关键词，但可惜录音设备问题，没能保存下来，所以我回忆了当时聊天的核心内容，以单口形式分享给大家。</p><span><br></span><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">更多交流，请加：</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6479-audiofreehighqps/BF/1B/GKwRIW4Nup5IAAInhgSMzYDR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6479-audiofreehighqps/BF/1B/GKwRIW4Nup5IAAInhgSMzYDR.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6479-audiofreehighqps/BF/1B/GKwRIW4Nup5IAAInhgSMzYDR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1015.9279778393351" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6479-audiofreehighqps/BF/1B/GKwRIW4Nup5IAAInhgSMzYDR.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="189.63988919667588"><br></p>
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