The Lost in Language podcast, hosted by facilitator and founder of Creating Meaning, Jessica Ball, aims to shine a light on communication approaches that can help improve how we communicate and relate to ourselves, each other and the world around us. Each approach is helping us get to the meaning beyond the words. So, instead of ignoring, dismissing, arguing and cancelling each other, we can get curious, create empathy and improve understanding; whilst also developing skills that can help us think together in creative and generative ways.
In this episode of Lost in Language Jessica talks to Jonny Dury. This conversation takes us on a journey through Jonny’s life, from his experiences as a child, to discovering psychedelics and Sufism, his introduction to Bohm Dialogue during his Fine Art degree, and being diagnosed with autism and ADHD later in life, which led him to host in first Autism Dialogue in 2017, and most recently embark on a counseling diploma. Jonny shares how Bohm’s philosophy of wholeness, mirrored in other spiritual traditions, helps us understand the neurodiversity paradigm as a subset of biodiversity, recognising that everyone is different.Jonny is a dialogue facilitator, trainer, consultant and as a therapeutic coach, his modalities are mainly Transpersonal, Gestalt and integrative. He specialises in autism, neurodiversity, and regenerative approaches to combat systemic trauma and fragmentation of consciousness - aiming to empower clients to embrace their uniquenesses and see past any unhelpful aspects of labels and categorising. This year he is launching his book the Autism Dialogue Approach Handbook.
22 Apr 2025
Bohm Dialogue & The Body
In this episode of Lost in Language Jessica talks to Lee Nichol. They focus on the fundamental role of the body in a dialogue practice. Lee shares how Bohm’s early life, and the insights he was able to come to in physics provided a context for the importance of the body in a dialogue. as well as the relationship between the multiple bodies of the individual, collective and cosmos from Bohm’s perspective. Lee highlights the body’s role in how we think, perceive and sense in a dialogue, in ways that can allow us to participate in a vivid, awake, and directly participatory consciousness.
Lee Nichol is Director of Bohmian Studies at the Pari Institute in Pari, Italy. As a freelance writer and editor, his latest works are Entering Bohm’s Holoflux and, as editor, Holoflux: Codex (both from Pari Publishing). He was a long-time friend and collaborator of David Bohm, and is editor of Bohm’s On Dialogue, The Essential David Bohm, and On Creativity. Lee has been on the faculty of the Tibetan Nyingma Institute in Berkeley, California and Denver University in Denver, Colorado. He sits on the Advisory Committee of the Pari Center, the Advisory Council of the Indigenous Education Institute, and is a member of the Founding Circle of the Native American Academy. He lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico with his wife Eva Casey.
22 Apr 2025
Bohm Dialogue & Meaning
In this episode of Lost in Language Jessica talks to Beth Macy. Together they explore David Bohm’s work on meaning, inspired by his words ‘ a change of meaning is a change of being.’ Beth shares both stories of Bohm’s early life that gave him insight into how meaning is created, formed in and carried through movement, and stories of her own experience with dialogue, with a powerful example of truth telling in an organisation in crisis. As Bohm said, ‘meaning is the cement that holds society together, and at the moment we have very poor quality cement,’ Join us as we reflect on how dialogue can support us to improve the quality of our collective cement, and how we can all be meaning makers. The common thread throughout Beth’s work history has been change. Throughout most of her work life, she has been engaged with organizations experiencing difficult issues. Early in her career, Dr. Macy’s curiosity about effective change led her to achieving masters and doctorate degrees in management focusing on organizational behavior and organizational theory. Developing her own competencies first as a manager and as a leader, she then shifted to her long-time aspiration of coaching and consulting other organizational leaders. The types of organizations she’s worked with have varied from small to large, private to public, non-profit to profit, health care to manufacturing. A deep fascination with systems theory brought Beth in contact many years back with David Bohm's process of dialogue which ever since has been the core of her research, writing and practice. Living in the USA (Texas) she is completing a book on the ideas and individuals who influenced Bohm’s process of dialogue.
22 Apr 2025
Bohm Dialogue & Artamovement
In this episode of Lost in Language Jessica talks to Hester Reeve. The invitation to Hester was to convey an aspect of Bohm’s concept of Artamovement. Bohm described Artamovement as the universal movement of fitting, and that to see what fits or does not fit, involves in the first instance, an unspecified feeling that something is wrong somewhere. As our conversation unfolds and stirs us, we explore feelings of what fits or does not fit, in the many experiences of being human.
Hester Reeve is Reader in Fine Art at Sheffield Hallam University and, linked to the ideas of David Bohm, a founding member of the Pari Holoflux experiments led by Lee Nichol. Composed of a considerable body of live art actions and associated drawings, sculptural objects and extended documentation experiments, her artworks function in co-relation to a complex, evolving array of conceptual priorities arrived at through extensive philosophical reading.
22 Jan 2025
Visual Communication
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to Rachel Porter, a former journalist, who took a swerve out of a career in newspapers and magazines, to join Scriberia. Though pictures are Scriberia's first language, as a writer first and foremost, Rachel has developed a keen sense of how the verbal and the visual relate and support each other.
We explore the visual communication tools that Scriberia uses to help organisations to really get to the meaning beyond the words. Whether that is developing vision maps to be able to tell relatable stories that make sense to everyone; communicate complexity; or support people to improve their visual communication skills, all in order to better convey ideas, gain feedback and prioritise actions.
22 Jan 2025
Nonviolent Communication
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to Ceri Buckmaster, a Certified Trainer in Nonviolent Communication and an Interfaith Minister. Her ministry involves communication and conflict work as she supports people to rehumanise each other and become more of who they are by finding compassion, clarity, confidence and creativity. She supports people to find the unexpected purpose of why a conflict has emerged in the first place and nurture a deeper kinder relationship with themselves.
Nonviolent Communication is a framework and model to transfer our systems of communication that tend to blame, judge, other and cancel, into a heart-centred communication approach. We explore how the framework of feelings and needs, and observations and requests can support us in developing empathy, connection and understanding with ourselves and others.
22 Jan 2025
Deep Democracy
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to Payam Yuce Isik, an experienced Deep Democracy instructor and facilitator. Payam is an executive and team coach and a facilitator. Her work focuses on creating dialogue in the heat of conflict, facilitating change in the face of resistance and supporting leaders to own their leadership through awareness.
Deep Democracy is a methodology that allows every voice to be heard and diverse views to be expressed. It works to create a space for minority and different views to be heard, and acknowledges the wisdom in the ‘no’. It enables groups to surface what is not being said, and generate insights that can lead to better decisions and outcomes.
9 Jan 2025
LEGO SERIOUS PLAY
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to facilitator and master trainer in the LEGO SERIOUS PLAY method, Robert Rasmussen. Robert is the main architect of the LEGO SERIOUS PLAY method and has worked with LEGO SERIOUS PLAY since its very beginning in 1999. Together with Per Kristiansen, he is the author of the book “Building a Better Business with the LEGO SERIOUS PLAY method”published in 2014.
LEGO Serious Play is a technique and methodology that allows groups of people to think, communicate and problem solve or build deep understanding. The inclusive nature of the process ensures everybody's voice is heard. By working with systematic creativity, in the form of individual, shared or systems LEGO models, people can safely explore different perspectives and meaning and unlock new knowledge.
9 Jan 2025
Ecolinguistics
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to Arran Stibbe, Professor of Ecological Linguistics at the University of Gloucestershire. He has an academic background in both linguistics and human ecology and combines the two in his research and teaching. He is the founder of the International Ecolinguistics Association, and author of Ecolinguistics: language, ecology and the stories we live by, and Econarrative: ethics, ecology and the search for new narratives to live by.
Ecolinguistics is the study of language and ecology, which allows us to uncover and highlight how language influences our behaviour; behaviour that shapes decisions on whether we protect or destroy our environment. We explore the stories and narratives that are keeping us on a path towards ecological destruction, as well as how we can find and create new stories to live by.
9 Jan 2025
Clean Language
In this episode of the Lost in Language Podcast Jessica talks to Clean Language facilitators Wendy Sullivan and Dr Paul Field. Clean Language is a method of questioning that removes all assumptions and biases from the questioner. It draws on the power of metaphor to allow people to develop meaning and clarity that can support them to bring about personal change.
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