"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
Never the Same
Claim This Podcastby Dr. Tony Pisani
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16 episodes
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"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
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June 25, 2026
Fairness for People with Mental Illness in Criminal Justice with Dr. Daniel Murrie
<p>In this episode of Never the Same, Dr. Tony Pisani sits down with Daniel Murrie, a professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia and director of the Institute for Law, Psychiatry and Public Policy.</p><p><br></p><p>Daniel is one of the most cited researchers in forensic psychology, best known for a landmark study that challenged a foundational assumption in his field: that experts retained by opposing legal sides can remain objective. However, the answer is more complicated. </p><p><br></p><p>They explore what forensic psychology actually is, what it’s like to sit across from someone facing the death penalty, why the US is in the middle of a “competency crisis,” and how a field changes its mind.</p><p><br><strong>Guest Bio:</strong></p><p>Daniel Murrie is a professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia, where he directs the Institute for Law, Psychiatry and Public Policy. He is a leading researcher in forensic psychology, with extensive work on evaluator bias, competency assessment, capital cases, and the intersection of mental illness and the justice system. He has served as a court-appointed special master in Colorado, helping the state address its competency crisis.</p><p><br><strong>Referenced Resources: </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/362/402/">Competency to stand trial — the 1960 Supreme Court case Dusky v. United States</a></li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32012335/">Competency to stand trial evaluations: A state-wide review of court-ordered reports</a></li><li><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/not_guilty_by_reason_of_insanity">Not guilty by reason of insanity</a> </li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23969777/">Are forensic experts biased by the side that retained them?</a></li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37056195/">Evaluations of competence to stand trial are evolving amid a national "competency crisis."</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Bird-Instructions-Writing-Life/dp/0385480016">Bird by Bird by Anne Lamont </a></li></ul>
March 5, 2026
What Jazz, Social Work, and AI Have in Common with Dr. Jonathan Singer
<p>In this episode of Never the Same, Dr. Tony Pisani sits down with Jonathan Singer, a social work professor at Loyola University, co-author of Suicide in Schools, and past president of the American Association of Suicidology. </p><p><br></p><p>Jonathan is also the creator of <a href="https://socialworkpodcast.blogspot.com/">The Social Work Podcast</a>, which he started in 2007 while teaching as a doctoral student. He thought “25 people would listen,” but by the end of the semester, there had been over 3000 downloads, from 80 countries.</p><p><br></p><p>They explore how jazz improvisation shaped Jonathan’s approach to therapy and collaboration, why schools with fewer suicides pay attention to “weak signals,” and what postvention can look like after a student suicide death.</p><p><br><strong>Guest Bio</strong></p><p>Jonathan Singer is a social work professor at Loyola University and the co-author of Suicide in Schools. He is the past president of the American Association of Suicidology. Jonathan is also the host and creator of the Social Work Podcast.</p><p><br><strong>Referenced Resources </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://socialworkpodcast.blogspot.com/">The Social Work Podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Suicide-Schools-Practitioners-Multi-level-Intervention/dp/0367141701">Suicide in Schools: A Practitioner's Guide to Multi-level Prevention, Assessment, Intervention, and Postvention </a></li><li><a href="https://headspace.org.au/assets/School-Support/Suicide-contagion-web.pdf">Suicide Contagion Explainer </a></li><li><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12310-025-09803-9">Universal Suicide Risk Screening in Schools: Outcomes from 9 Years of Implementation</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Life-under-Pressure-Social-Suicide/dp/0190847840">Life Under Pressure: The Social Roots of Youth Suicide</a> </li><li><a href="https://maps.cookcountyil.gov/medexammaps/?page=Case-Archive-Dashboard">Cook County real-time suicide data dashboard</a></li><li><a href="https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data">Johns Hopkins COVID dashboard</a> </li></ul>
January 13, 2026
Serving Those Who Serve: First Responder Chaplain Steve Wickham
<p>In this moving conversation, Dr Tony Pisani speaks with Steve Wickham, a workplace health and safety professional, chaplain, and writer. Steve shares his remarkable journey from his early days as a tradesman in Western Australia, through personal trials of grief, loss, and recovery, to his current roles supporting first responders and families.</p><p><br></p><p>With honesty and warmth, Steve opens up about the people who shaped his path, the importance of kinship and purpose, and the lessons he has learned from decades of walking alongside others in crisis. His reflections highlight the power of presence, humility, and hope in the face of life’s deepest challenges. </p><p><strong>Guest Bio: </strong></p><p>Steve Wickham is a chaplain, pastor, and writer based in Western Australia. He began his career as a tradesman before moving into health and safety in 1997, working for decades as a safety professional. Today, he serves as a part-time chaplain with the Department of Fire and Emergency Services and Children and Families Pastor at a Baptist church. </p><p><br><strong>Referenced Resources: </strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Entitlement-Cure-Finding-Success-Things/dp/0310330521">The Entitlement Cure — Dr John Townsend</a></li><li><a href="https://www.heartfelt.org.au/who-we-are/who-is-heartfelt#:~:text=Heartfelt%20is%20a%20volunteer%20organisation,serious%20or%20life%20threatening%20illness.">Heartfelt (Australia) — photography and support for families experiencing stillbirth and infant loss</a></li><li><a href="https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/treatments/eye-movement-reprocessing">EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/about-us/family-support">Department of Fire and Emergency Services (WA) — wellness and chaplaincy support</a></li></ul><p><strong>Production credits: </strong><br>Hannah Corcoran, Producer and Senior Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/h-corcoran/<br>Annie Lewis, Content Manager https://www.linkedin.com/in/annie-lewis-304854117/ <br>Luke Pisani, Music https://www.instagram.com/lukepisani_/</p><p>(c) 2024. SafeSide Media, LLC. </p>
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