Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.

Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications
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Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.
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Recent Episodes

August 1, 2026
Ep 257: Nonprofit Unions: What Leaders, Staff, and Boards Need to Know with Bev Tillary
For many nonprofit leaders, unionization can feel deeply personal. Explore the questions, challenges, and realities of nonprofit unionization, and how leaders, staff, and boards can navigate the process while preserving trust, culture, and their org’s values.

August 1, 2026
Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life
What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.

July 18, 2026
Ep 257: Presence ≠ Power: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Rashad Robinson
Host Nonprofit Leaders and Rashad Robinson, Executive Director of Color of Change, discuss how to translate attention into lasting change for nonprofits.
263 total episodes available with 64 transcripts
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