Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose is a podcast about finding balance in the pursuit of wellbeing. Inspired by an ancient teaching about meditation, music, and finding a middle path, NTTNTL explores developments in psychology, psychedelics, meditation, spirituality, AI and more. We talk with leading thinkers and practitioners to make sense of both cutting edge and traditional wisdom. Rather than searching for ways to fix what’s wrong, NTTNTL invites us to stay humble, pay attention, and realize that wellbeing isn’t about flipping the right switch, but more like keeping an instrument in tune.
Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose
Claim This Podcastby Dr. Joe Flanders and Andrew Rose
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Not Too Tight, Not Too Loose is a podcast about finding balance in the pursuit of wellbeing. Inspired by an ancient teaching about meditation, music, and finding a middle path, NTTNTL explores developments in psychology, psychedelics, meditation, spirituality, AI and more. We talk with leading thinkers and practitioners to make sense of both cutting edge and traditional wisdom. Rather than searching for ways to fix what’s wrong, NTTNTL invites us to stay humble, pay attention, and realize that wellbeing isn’t about flipping the right switch, but more like keeping an instrument in tune.
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April 22, 2026
Episode 9: Experiential psychotherapy with Dr. Tori Olds
<p>In this episode, experiential therapist Tori Olds explores how understanding the brain's memory reconsolidation process can unlock profound healing. Discover how experiential therapies offer deep and efficient ways to shift entrenched patterns and heal trauma. Tori shares science-backed techniques like imagery and prediction error exercises that help bring unconscious beliefs into awareness, enabling rapid transformation. Perfect for therapists and individuals eager to harness cutting-edge neuroscience, this conversation dispels the myth that transformation must be slow. Tune in to learn practical frameworks that marry science with soulful change.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Chapters</strong>:</p><ol><li>Introduction to Experiential Therapy (0:02 - 2:12)</li><li>Mindfulness and Self-Exploration (2:12 - 6:33)</li><li>Understanding Trauma (6:33 - 9:14)</li><li>Experiential Techniques (9:14 - 13:27)</li><li>Internal Family Systems (IFS) Model (13:27 - 19:19)</li><li>Memory Reconsolidation and Healing (19:19 - 25:06)</li><li>Practical Applications and Case Studies (25:06 - 30:11)</li><li>Conclusion and Future Directions (30:11 - 35:00)</li></ol><p><strong>Themes:</strong></p><ol><li>Experiential Therapy: Exploring how experiential therapy can be both deep and efficient, focusing on memory reconsolidation and prediction errors.</li><li>Mindfulness and Self-Exploration: The role of mindfulness in self-exploration and how it differs from self-analysis.</li><li>Trauma and Healing: Understanding trauma through predictive processing and the potential for rapid healing.</li><li>Internal Family Systems (IFS): The use of IFS in experiential therapy to map out and update unconscious predictions.</li><li>Memory Reconsolidation: The science behind memory reconsolidation and its application in therapy.</li></ol><ol><p><br /></p></ol>
March 16, 2026
Episode 8: AI Risk Reduction in Psychotherapy
<p>In this episode, Andrew and Joe delve into the transformative potential and the profound risks of integrating AI into mental health practice. Join them as they explore the science, stories, and frameworks shaping the future of AI-assisted psychotherapy, with insights grounded in recent research and ancient philosophies.</p><p>Key Topics:</p><ul><li>The emergence of AI tools in therapy, including note-taking, therapeutic alliance, and symptom reduction</li><li>Evidence from recent randomized controlled trials showing AI’s efficacy in reducing anxiety and depression symptoms</li><li>The phenomenon of attachment bonds forming with chatbots and the implications for therapeutic alliance</li><li>Risks including reality drift, epistemic over-trust, and attachment amplification, illustrated by real-world cases such as AI-induced psychosis and tragic outcomes</li><li>Parallels between AI therapy and psychedelics in terms of amplification and the harm reduction approach</li><li>The importance of set and setting, and the role of human oversight in safe AI deployment</li><li>Regulatory landscapes, including state bans and professional guidelines from organizations like the APA</li><li>Ethical considerations: confidentiality, bias, therapeutic reliability, and the need for ongoing evaluation</li><li>Ancient frameworks of eudaimonia and the virtues of truth, goodness, and beauty as guiding principles for AI in wellbeing</li><li>The analogy of AI as a co-pilot or harm reduction tool, emphasizing the necessity of human-in-the-loop models</li></ul><ul><li><a href="http://harmreduction.ai/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Harm Reduction AI White Paper</a></li><li><a href="https://psychedelicharmreduction.org/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Psychedelic and Harm Reduction frameworks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.apa.org/topics/artificial-intelligence-machine-learning/health-advisory-ai-chatbots-wellness-apps-mental-health.pdf" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">APA Guidelines on Digital Therapeutics</a></li></ul><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewjosephrose/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Andrew Rose - LinkedIn </a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joe-flanders/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Joe Flanders - LinkedIn </a></p><p>Timestamps:<br>00:00 – Introduction to AI and mental health: potentials and perils<br>02:03 – Recent meta-analyses and evidence supporting AI effectiveness<br>04:21 – Personal stories of AI integration in therapy practice<br>06:37 – Cases of AI-induced psychosis and tragic outcomes<br>09:01 – The rapid integration of AI in daily life and mental health support<br>11:04 – Evidence of symptom reduction in clinical populations with AI chatbots<br>13:01 – Limits and risks of AI in psychotherapy<br>15:36 – Therapeutic alliance with AI and attachment bonds<br>16:35 – Challenges with AI handling suicide risk and safety protocols<br>17:41 – Notable cases of AI causing harm: the Adam Rain case<br>21:11 – Real-world stories of problematic AI behavior and vulnerabilities<br>22:49 – The risks of reality drift, epistemic over-trust, and attachment amplification<br>25:33 – The potential for AI to support or undermine contact with reality and values<br>27:27 – Drawing parallels with psychedelics and harm reduction strategies<br>30:36 – The importance of set, setting, and human oversight in AI use<br>34:10 – The role of regulation, policy, and professional standards<br>40:14 – Risks related to bias, confidentiality, and therapeutic reliability<br>46:47 – The importance of ongoing assessment, calibration, and human-in-the-loop models<br>50:23 – Reflection on therapeutic alliance, attachment, and the non-human therapist<br>55:02 – Philosophical framing: Aristotle’s virtues and human flourishing in AI-supported wellbeing<br>58:02 – Cultivating truth, goodness, and beauty with AI in therapy<br>64:17 – The challenge of projecting moral and existential frameworks onto AI tools<br>69:22 – Balancing awe with caution: where do we really stand?<br>73:24 – Empowering practitioners with education and harm reduction strategies<br>75:13 – Closing thoughts on future directions and the continued dialogueResources & Links:Connect with the Hosts:</p>
February 20, 2026
Episode 7: The neuroscience of meditation, well-being and the spiritual path with Jonas Mago
<p>In this episode, Andrew and Joe welcome Jonas Maggo, a cognitive neuroscientist and meditation teacher, to discuss the intersection of neuroscience and contemplative practices. They explore Jhana meditation, the role of attention in shaping perception, and the implications of these practices for well-being. The conversation also delves into the potential of AI in mental health, the ethical considerations of neurohacking, and the importance of understanding the impact of perception on reality. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of wellbeing, exploring the alignment problem and its implications for mental health practices. They discuss the importance of personalization in interventions, the science behind meditation and its effects on brain states, and the journey from researcher to practitioner. The dialogue also touches on the significance of creating a sense of safety in practice, the similarities and differences between meditation and psychedelics, and the role of community support in enhancing the meditation experience. Ultimately, the speakers emphasize that personal experience remains the best indicator of progress in one's practice.</p>
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