Order Order!

About Order Order!

Behind the scenes of Britain’s most iconic workplace. Order Order! is where veteran chef Terry Wiggins sits down with the unsung heroes of Westminster’s kitchens to share candid stories, career journeys, and the grit it takes to feed the nation’s powerbrokers. From first shifts to future ventures — it’s Parliament like you’ve never heard it before. orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)

Publisher

Conversations from the kitchens of UK Parliament

Category

arts · government

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

8 Apr 2025

Latest episode

11 Jul 2026

Latest episodes

15 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   11 Jul 2026

   Dame Tracey Crouch: Life After Westminster

   In this episode of Order Order!, Terry Wiggins is joined by Dame Tracey Crouch, former Member of Parliament for Chatham and Aylesford, former Minister for Sport, Civil Society and Loneliness, and a lifelong sportswoman who is still running, cycling and captaining a women’s football team. Tracey talks to Terry about growing up in Kent, studying at Hull University, and the cheeky question that landed her first job in Parliament just days after her final exam. From there, the conversation moves through her election as an MP in 2010, life as a minister, the changing role of women in Parliament, and the extra demands that come with trying to serve both a constituency and a government department. It is also a very personal conversation. Tracey reflects on becoming the first Conservative minister to take maternity leave, turning down a cabinet role, and being diagnosed with breast cancer during Covid. She speaks openly about treatment, returning to Parliament, and the strange sense of community that formed among those going through similar experiences. And, of course, there is plenty of food. Tracey shares her memories of the Portcullis House canteen, the Members’ Tea Room, cheese and ham toasties, vegetarian options, portobello mushroom shakshuka, sausage rolls and the staff who went the extra mile. Terry and Tracey also discuss how parliamentary catering changed over the years, from old-school food and stodgy puddings to wider choices, better vegetarian dishes and the personal relationships built between MPs, staff and the kitchen teams. There are stories about rugby tours, Tottenham, Brian May, Prince William asking whether Tracey is related to Peter Crouch, family trips to Cornwall, and life now as Managing Director of Hanover Sport. A warm, funny and honest conversation about politics, sport, recovery, friendship and the food that helps keep Westminster running. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

2. 

   28 Apr 2026

   From Pastry to Plaintiffs

   In this episode of Order, Order, Terry Wiggins talks to Paul Bergen about a career journey that took him from the pastry kitchens of the House of Commons into the world of legal recruitment. Paul looks back on growing up in Lichfield, studying catering in Birmingham, and moving to London at 17 after a placement at Parliament convinced him that this was where he wanted to be. He reflects on working across several parts of the Commons catering operation, including pastry, the Terrace, Portcullis House, the Brasserie and Milbank, and shares what those years taught him about pressure, discipline, creativity and growing up quickly in a demanding environment. The conversation then follows his move out of catering, first into a corporate dining role and later into recruitment, where he found a completely different kind of career. Paul explains how he made the jump into the legal sector, what legal recruitment actually involves, and how he went on to build Hunters Legal. Along the way, he and Terry discuss mentorship, the hidden depth behind both Parliament and the legal profession, and why finding the right cultural fit matters just as much as technical skill. It is a fascinating story about reinvention, ambition and taking the lessons of one world into another. Order Order podcast, Paul Bergen, Terry Wiggins, House of Commons catering, Parliament kitchens, pastry chef, legal recruitment, Hunters Legal, Terrace kitchen, Milbank, Portcullis House, hospitality careers, chef career change, Westminster catering, legal industry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

3. 

   14 Apr 2026

   Inside the House of Commons Kitchens with Oliver Fox

   In this episode of Order, Order, Terry Wiggins sits down with Oliver Fox for a wide-ranging conversation about his journey through the catering world, from college and early restaurant work to the kitchens of the House of Commons. Oliver reflects on joining Parliament after time at Chapter One in Locksbottom, and explains why the Commons felt like a real finishing school for chefs. He talks about the sections he worked in, the skills he learned there, and why that period became such an important foundation for the rest of his career. The conversation also touches on cooking for Betty Boothroyd, memories of working in Westminster, later roles in restaurants and consultancy, and a private-chef job that took him into high-level business dining and international travel. Along the way, Oliver and Terry discuss music, mentorship, hospitality, and how the industry has changed in recent years. They finish by looking at where Oliver’s business is headed now, with a growing focus on weddings, funerals, corporate events, press launches, art gallery launches, christenings and private catering, as well as the pressures facing public-facing hospitality today. Order Order podcast, Oliver Fox, Terry Wiggins, House of Commons catering, Parliament kitchens, Westminster catering, hospitality industry, catering industry, private chef, event catering, Chapter One Locksbottom, Betty Boothroyd, banqueting, chef career, corporate catering, wedding catering This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

4. 

   31 Dec 2025

   From Parliament to Punchlines

   Harun Musho’d recounts his diverse career from Wembley Arena catering to Parliament HR, stand-up comedy, and Edinburgh Fringe shows, highlighting the unexpected connections between these fields in an interview with Terry Wiggins.

5. 

   23 Dec 2025

   Databases, Debates and Dining Rooms: Behind the Scenes at the House of Commons

   Host Terry Wiggins interviews Aileen Walker OBE, who recounts her career at the House of Commons, discussing its evolution, public engagement efforts, and even the dining experiences, revealing the multifaceted nature of parliamentary life.

6. 

   9 Dec 2025

   From Parliament to the Pyramids

   Chef Luke Fouracre recounts his culinary journey from Westminster's dining rooms to opening a restaurant in New Cairo, discussing kitchen culture and career reinvention in this interview.

7. 

   3 Nov 2025

   Sara Bjork: Sweden’s Sandwich Cake and the Lure of Liquorice

   Host Terry Wiggins interviews Chef Sara Bjork about her culinary journey from Yorkshire's Betty's Tea Rooms to UK Parliament kitchens and launching a chocolate shop in Sweden, highlighting Swedish flavors and the bonbon-making process.

8. 

   8 Oct 2025

   Roasts, Recess and the Expenses Files

   Bob Castle recounts his career journey from the House of Commons kitchens to information rights and records management in UK Parliament, highlighting the importance of accuracy and trust, in an interview with Terry Wiggins.

9. 

   8 Sept 2025

   Westminster Kitchens, DIY Punk, Early Electro: Whybrew and Sharp

   Host Terry Wiggins interviews John Whybrew and Ian Sharp, exploring their dual careers in Westminster kitchens and pioneering UK industrial electro music, revealing how culinary discipline shaped their creative output.

10. 

    2 Aug 2025

    Pastry, Parliament & Peaks: Dominique Ashford’s 13 Years in the Commons Kitchen

    Dominique Ashford, former House of Commons pastry chef, recounts baking for MPs and state dinners, highlighting unforgettable moments and the evolution of the pastry section, in an interview.

11. 

    29 Jun 2025

    Coffee, Commons and Corporate Cuisine

    Former House of Commons manager Alex Kristall recounts her journey from pediatric nursing to corporate catering, detailing her experiences managing food services within Westminster and later leading Google's UK and Ireland food program in an interview with Terry Wiggins.

12. 

    1 Jun 2025

    Steve Always Remembered Your Order

    Steve recounts to Terry Wiggins his three decades serving meals and building relationships in the House of Commons tea room, highlighting the value of routine and purpose in one's work in this interview.

13. 

    8 May 2025

    From Parliament to Pastry: Ian Burch’s Journey to the Top

    From gutting fish in the House of Commons to overseeing luxury banquets in Sydney, Ian Burch’s career is a masterclass in skill, adaptability, and sugarwork. In this episode of Order Order!, host Terry Wiggins catches up with his former colleague to explore Ian’s journey from a nervous 18-year-old in the butchery department to Executive Pastry Chef at Sofitel Sydney Darling Harbour. Ian reflects on formative years working in Parliament’s busy kitchens, including witnessing Margaret Thatcher’s resignation, training in advanced pastry at Westminster College, and why he ultimately traded fine dining in London for a new life in Australia. We cover everything from the art of chocolate, launching haute croissant concepts across the Sofitel group, and mentoring young chefs, to Ian’s ongoing exploration of food, art, and structure — not to mention a cheeky red card in a Parliament football match. —Order Order! is produced by Blue Smoke Media.Want to create your own podcast? Email drew@bluesmoke.media 📍 Recorded between London and Sydney📷 Follow Ian’s work on Instagram @ianjburch (https://www.instagram.com/ianjburch/#) 📷 Follow us on Instagram Order Order (https://substack.com/profile/331529958-order-order) 🎧 Follow, rate & share to support the show This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

14. 

    22 Apr 2025

    “I Found My Thing”: Jose Souto on Cooking, Mentorship, and the Power of Purpose

    Jose Souto didn’t plan to become one of Britain’s leading experts in game cookery — but the House of Commons kitchen changed everything. In this episode of Order Order!, Terry Wiggins sits down with his old colleague and friend to explore Jose’s remarkable journey: from a struggling student to a chef, teacher, author, falconer, and passionate advocate for sustainable food. Jose opens up about the discipline and camaraderie of life at Parliament, why teaching changed him forever, how a side project turned into a bestselling book series (The Game Larder), and how mentoring students gave him the same sense of purpose he once found in the kitchen. —Order Order! is produced by Blue Smoke Media.Want help creating your own podcast? Email: drew@bluesmoke.media 🎧 Follow the show and don’t forget to rate and review!📷 Follow Jose: @wildfoodboy on Instagram (https://instagram.com/wildfoodboy)📚 Learn more about The Game Larder book series: [Search “Jose Souto Game Larder”] This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

15. 

    8 Apr 2025

    Jerk Chicken, Parliament Style: Terry Wiggins on 50 Years in the Kitchen

    Terry Wiggins started working in the kitchens of the UK Parliament in 1974. Nearly 50 years later, he’s got stories — and recipes — you’ve never heard before. In this debut episode of Order Order! Terry shares how he landed the job at 16, what it was like serving food through historic moments (like the Falklands War and the Queen's passing), and how one dish — House of Commons Jerk Chicken — became a cult hit with MPs, staffers, and even got its own Twitter account. Along the way, we unpack the origins of the dish, its unique flavour profile, and how food in Parliament evolved from French classics to global fusion. Plus, a live tasting session — and Terry's secrets for making it at home. —Got a photo of your own version of the dish?Email us at orderorderpodcast@gmail.com or tag us on Instagram @orderorderpodcast (https://instagram.com/orderorderpodcast). Want to make your own podcast?This show was produced by Blue Smoke Media. Reach out to drew@bluesmoke.media to start your own. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit orderorderpodcast.substack.com (https://orderorderpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

Who has been a guest on Order Order!

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Harun Musho’d
• Aileen Walker OBE
• Luke Fouracre
• Sara Bjork
• Bob Castle

Reach and audience

Public platform figures. Ratings count people who left a rating, not total listeners.

Spotify

5.0 / 5

6 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 1 / 100

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Quality

2

Social presence

0

YouTube

0

Engagement

0

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