Out of Session w/ Kindman & Co.

About Out of Session w/ Kindman & Co.

A feelings-forward podcast where we leave our therapist selves at the door and have messy, real conversations about being human. We’re deconstructing the narrative of an expert through uplifting lived experiences and inviting free-flowing learning with community. We invite the imperfect, unfiltered, and rawness of humanity.

Publisher

Kindman & Co. | Therapy for Being Human

Category

health & fitness

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

2 Jan 2023

Latest episode

30 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

30 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   30 Sept 2026

   The Emotional Side of Moving: Nostalgia, Letting Go & Asking for Help

   In This Episode: In this episode of Out of Session with Kindman & Co., therapists Logan and Sarah trade the couch for cardboard boxes to talk about something they're both living through: moving. What starts as a lighthearted comparison of packing styles — Sarah's slow, reflective sorting through old postcards versus Logan's "mad dash, put thing in box" approach — opens into a deeper conversation about nostalgia, letting go, and why asking for help is so much harder than it should be. They talk through how moving forces you to decide what still matters, why leaning on community can feel like a burden even when it isn't, and how a few extra hands (and a little vulnerability) can make all the difference. TOPICS: Community, Nostalgia, Moving On, Asking for Help, Burdens, Anxiety, Therapists KEY FIGURES: Logan Kim, AMFT, APCC Sarah Barukh, ASW Kindman & Co. KEY TAKEAWAYS: 1. Moving is Rarely Just Physical Packing up a home surfaces unexpected emotions — nostalgia, grief, and reflection — that go far beyond logistics. 2. Nostalgia Can Change Over Time Sarah shares how her relationship with nostalgia shifted from something tied to sadness and living in the past to something she can now experience with more ease. 3. Sorting Through Belongings is a Form of Self-Reflection Going through old postcards, trinkets, and forgotten items becomes a way of reconnecting with past versions of yourself. 4. Asking for Help is Uncomfortable, Even When You Need It Logan admits it took a friend offering repeatedly before he accepted help, highlighting how hard it can be to lean on others. 5. A Favor Can Start to Feel like a Burden, but Doesn't Have to Stay That Way Both hosts reflect on the discomfort of "calling in favors" and how community support, even when hard to accept, made the process possible. KEY QUOTES: "There are all these artifacts of my life — you completely forgot about this trip or this memory. And then there's also: do I need this thing anymore?" — Sarah "It feels nice to connect with a past version of myself." — Sarah "I'm glad that you asked for help and accepted help." — Logan "I physically would not have been able to do the thing if I didn't have the help." — Sarah "You learn about all the crevices of your home only to say goodbye." — Sarah CALL TO ACTION: Today's episode is bringing you to The Buy Nothing Project. This is the world’s largest free-goods platform, and is transforming how people consume. A Public Benefit Corporation with more than 14 million members across 50+ countries, Buy Nothing connects neighbors to gift each other goods and services freely—saving money, reducing waste, and strengthening communities. The Buy Nothing Project platform includes Buy Nothing Facebook groups and the Buy Nothing app, available on iOS, Android, and the web at buynothingproject.org (http://buynothingproject.org). Look out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog (https://www.kindman.co/blog) and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter (https://www.kindman.co/) to stay connected.

2. 

   17 Jul 2026

   Why a Kids' Movie About Sheep Made Us Cry (And What It Teaches Us About Loss)

   IN THIS EPISODE/SUMMARY: In this episode of Out of Session with Kindman & Co., therapists Anna and Paul step outside their usual format to talk about a movie neither of them expected to be moved by: The Sheep Detectives. On the surface, it's a murder mystery solved by a flock of sheep. Underneath, it's a surprisingly rich meditation on grief, denial, and what it means to belong. Anna and Paul dig into the film's central premise: when something painful happens, the sheep collectively choose to forget it, telling themselves that those who die simply "turn into clouds." It's a coping mechanism that will feel familiar to anyone who's ever reached for distraction, avoidance, or a softer story to make loss easier to hold. As Anna and Paul discuss, denial isn't inherently bad — it can be a useful short-term tool — but it comes at a cost that compounds the longer it's used. TOPICS: Community, Grief, Death, Loss, Connection, Mental Health Support, Therapists KEY FIGURES: Anna Kim, LCSW Paul Kindman, LMFT Kindman & Co. KEY TAKEAWAYS: 1. You can't selectively forget. Trying to block out painful memories means losing the good ones too — there's no way to numb only the parts that hurt. 2. Denial has its place — but the bill always comes due. Short-term denial can be a useful coping tool, but the longer it's used to avoid grief, the larger the emotional cost grows. 3. Being the one who "remembers" can feel isolating — but it's not a burden, it's a gift. Like Mopple in the film, people in grief often feel like they're dragging others down by staying connected to loss. In reality, that willingness to stay present is what helps everyone else heal. 4. Loss connects us to something larger than ourselves. Grieving can feel isolating, but it also links you to the entire history of people who've loved and lost — you're never actually alone in it. 5. Grief is better shared than carried alone. Whether it's a therapist, a friend, or even a stranger in a movie theater, connecting with someone else — through pain or through humor — changes the experience in a way solitude can't. KEY QUOTES: 1. "There is no way to selectively forget" — Anna — on why avoiding pain also means losing the good memories tied to it. 2. "It becomes problematic when it is overused and used in the long term" — Paul — on denial as a short-term tool that turns harmful over time. 3. "Forgetting doesn't work. It's not the way." — Anna — on one of the few things she feels directive about in therapy. 4. "We need to be able to hold multiple realities, multiple experiences, multiple feelings at the same time" — Paul — on the concept of holding complexity in therapeutic work. 5. "As soon as you lose someone close to you, you're actually more a part of something" — Anna — on grief as a connection to shared human experience. CALL TO ACTION: Today's episode is bringing you to our new therapy and support group, “Dead Parents Club.” This is a bi-weekly young adult therapy and support group in Highland Park for people navigating the loss of a parent or close parental figure. Yeah, the name is a little blunt. Maybe even darkly funny?! But if you’ve lost a parent young, you probably get it. This is a space for young adults trying to figure out life after a loss that changed everything — while everyone else somehow seems to keep moving forward normally. And don’t let the word “therapy” freak you out. You don’t need to show up with the perfect words or know how to talk about grief “correctly.” Think of it more like a place to land with people who actually understand this kind of loss. You can find out more about the Dead Parents Club at kindman.co/group-therapy (http://kindman.co/group-therapy). Look out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog (https://www.kindman.co/blog) and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter (https://www.kindman.co/) to stay connected.

3. 

   3 May 2026

   De-Stigmatizing Everything: What a Queer Wellness Festival Taught Us About Belonging

   IN THIS EPISODE: In this episode, Liz and Logan get into what it really felt like to spend a weekend in the desert surrounded by queer community, why spaces like No Other Festival matter more than ever right now, how the experience of seeing all kinds of bodies just existing freely can quietly shift something inside you, and what it brings up when even in the most welcoming spaces, you still find yourself wondering — do I belong here? TOPICS: Community, Queer, Vulnerability, Body Image, Personal Journey, Mental Health Support, Therapists KEY FIGURES: Elizabeth Taylor, AMFT Logan Kim, AMFT, APCC Kindman & Co. KEY TAKEAWAYS: 1. Community care is a practice, not just a feeling. From sharing food and sunscreen to keeping the porta-potties clean, No Other Festival showed that collective care shows up in both the big and the small moments — and that when a community genuinely looks out for one another, it creates something transformative. 2. Seeing diverse bodies can be deeply healing. Being in a space where all kinds of bodies existed freely and unapologetically — different sizes, abilities, scars, trans bodies — quietly challenged internalized shame and created a powerful sense of body neutrality. Bodies are just bodies. They get us from point A to point B. 3. Even welcoming spaces can surface internalized struggles. Both Liz and Logan felt the question "am I queer enough?" arise at the festival — not because anyone made them feel unwelcome, but because internalized heteronormativity, biphobia, and transphobia have a way of following us even into the most affirming spaces. 4. You don't need to earn your belonging. There is no laundry list of criteria that makes your identity valid or your presence justified. You belong simply because you are — and having doubts about that doesn't mean the doubts are true. 5. Queer joy is powerful. Especially right now, the joy that filled Know Other Festival — the frolicking, the laughing, the crying, the realness — was a reminder of what is possible when people are free to show up fully as themselves. That kind of joy is worth seeking out, protecting, and bringing into everyday life. KEY QUOTES: "Everyone was looking out for each other. Here's water, here's electrolytes. That felt really special. I've never been in a space like that." — Liz "These are just bodies. Whatever they look like, they get us from point A to point B and we can dance and we can play and we can frolic and move or lay, whatever it may be." — Liz "There's only certain kinds of bodies that are visible or seen — or deemed acceptable to be visible. So just being able to see all of these different kinds of bodies — big bodies, small bodies, medium bodies, bodies with scars, with top surgery scars, trans bodies — felt like, oh shit. They can have a body and that's great, and maybe I can too." — Logan "I noticed this part of me that comes up that asks — but am I queer enough?" — Logan "I know how sometimes voices project loudest to other people, but don't always come back to us." — Logan CALL TO ACTION: Today's episode is bringing you to Know Other Festival. It's a yearly queer wellness and camping experience rooted in healing, joy, and self-expression. You can find out more and keep up with everything they have coming up at knowotherfestival.com (http://knowotherfestival.com). We would also like to mention The Collective Coalition San Diego. They are building intentional queer community in San Diego, and they are doing the work of creating the kinds of spaces we were talking about today — inclusive, affirming, and real. You can learn more about them at thecollectivecoalitionsandiego.org (http://thecollectivecoalitionsandiego.org). Look out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog (https://www.kindman.co/blog) and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter (https://www.kindman.co/) to stay connected.

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Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

6 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

6 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 39 / 100

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57

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0

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0

Engagement

51

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