Julie Censullo (https://www.juliecensullo.com/) has a rule: When someone invites her to do something, she always says yes. It’s her way of staving off loneliness.
But when aquaintances suggested a four-day canoe trip in the Boundary Waters, she started second guessing herself. This was way outside her comfort zone. In the weeks leading up to the trip, she was so anxious she was hardly sleeping.
On this episode, Julie takes us to the Minnesota wilderness and explores what happens when you ignore your personal boundaries — just to make friends.
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25 Jul 2024
The Gift of Silence
Ilana Nevans loved backpacking with her father. But after she was diagnosed with an eating disorder, their relationship became strained. She worried that hiking together would put her recovery at risk, because so many of her behaviors were modeled after him.
In this episode, Ilana shares the story of the difficult challenge she faced: how to prioritize her own wellbeing without wrecking her relationship with a loved one.
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11 Jul 2024
Running As Medicine
In May of 2022, Maria Ordovas-Montanes set out to become the fastest woman to run the Oxford Greenbelt Way, a 55-mile route through the English countryside.
She had always loved running, and this was an exciting challenge. But at the event, something happened that would derail her life — and lead to a life-altering diagnosis.
On this episode, Maria shares her story.
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The Fear of Loneliness
Published 9 Oct 2025 · Transcript excerpt
[…] So maybe those are the moments where the evolved function of friendship can really shine. Hello! Hi! I brought this fancy fermented beverage. Oh! And that's a guy. It is pretty. These days, I hang out with Jeff and Emily much more than I did before. It's not like I see them all the time. But they are people I can count on. I know they are usually up for an impromptu weeknight dinner if I'm feeling lonely or that they'll pick me up from the airport on short notice. And I know I can reach out to them in an emergency. And I know they feel the same about me. I think you're going to be closer with someone if you have a shared experience together, especially if it is something that's a little bit challenging. […]
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