The title says it all: we expire.
And yet most of us live like we have infinite time to become who we want to be, to have the conversations that matter, to stop shrinking ourselves.
I'm Morgan. I'm a mother, entrepreneur, and someone who is doing the messy work of rebuilding after loss. On this podcast, I talk with people about the things we usually avoid: death, grief, caregiving, self-trust, and the courage it takes to live deliberately instead of on autopilot.
These aren't conversations about becoming perfect. They're about becoming real.
Ep94: Allison teaches us "The Work" of Byron Katie and I'm the guinea pig
It's getting real up in here.
Allison Evans is BACK, and this time, she's teaching us one of my favorite tools: "The Work" of Byron Katie. Allison is a life coach (and one of Martha Beck's Wayfinder coaches, nbd) who works primarily with women looking to reclaim their lives and be the heroines of their own journeys. She teaches us how The Work works, and I get to be the fortunate example in this lesson. One of the reasons I love the work is because it is very intuitive. I can easily get myself into thinking knots, so any tools that help me get into my body and really feel into patterns of thinking and behaving is extremely helpful.
Allison is a Certified Wayfinder Master Coach with an MA in English literature from George Mason University and undergraduate degrees in English and French from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Her work has been featured in elephant journal, Thrive Global, and Pathways magazine. She lives in Omaha with the people who inspire her work: her husband, daughter, and son.
Links from the episode:
Allison's website https://allisonevanscoaching.com/ (https://allisonevanscoaching.com/)
Website for The Work https://thework.com/ (https://thework.com/)
Documentary "The Divided Brain" https://thedividedbrain.com/ (https://thedividedbrain.com/)
Dr. Iain McGilchrist interview on the podcast "Know Thyself" https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/podcast/dr-iain-mcgilchrist (https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/podcast/dr-iain-mcgilchrist)
You can find Morgan on her website https://www.morganmotsinger.com/ (https://www.morganmotsinger.com/)
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Mindfulness-Based Tools
12:46 Understanding the Four Questions of The Work
36:19 Exploring Turnarounds and Self-Approval
54:12 The Power of Visualization and Slowing Down
01:05:38 The Work as a Meditation
01:19:19 The Neurological Basis of Change
01:30:26 Forensic Examination of Suffering
9 Dec 2025
Ep93: I'm Good at Being Good (And It's Killing Me) with Jen Zorb
This conversation with Jen Zorb was one of those episodes where I kept thinking "YES, THIS" over and over again. Jen is a therapist with 15+ years of experience, and she created The Pearl Project (I cannot wait to tell you about it).
But first, we dove into something that I think so many of us struggle with: Are we actually living our lives on purpose, or are we just responding to everything that gets thrown at us? When was the last time you actually sat down and thought about what you value most and then had the courage to orient your whole life around that?
Living in reaction vs. living with intention
Jen shared this thing her family has been talking about—how easy it is to just respond to life instead of figuring out what really matters and then being brave enough to shape your life around that. For her and her husband, this meant a massive career change so they could spend more time together and take an entrepreneurial risk as partners.
And honestly? This hit me hard because I think most of us are just... reacting. All the time.
Why people finally come to therapy
Here's what's fascinating: Jen says people usually show up to therapy when living the way they've been living becomes intolerable. When there's finally enough pain or discomfort or a big enough disruption that they're like "okay, I can't keep doing this." And as painful as that sounds, Jen holds hope in those moments because that's often when people can actually start choosing differently.
We got into this great question about whether people change or if they're just finally able to see what was always true. Jen's take? It's less about changing and more about revealing who we've always been. Healing is becoming more fully ourselves.
The things that keep us stuck
I asked Jen for the top three reasons people don't feel like they can live fully embodied lives, and her number one? The risk of not belonging.
We learn SO early what gets us love and acceptance, and what threatens it. So we build these protective patterns. For Jen, this looked like being the "good girl," the high achiever, which actually kinda worked. She got accolades and praise. But it also meant pushing down parts of herself that felt too powerful, messy, or imperfect.
And get this: She didn't even realize she was doing it until she started having chest pain in her 40s. A trained therapist for 15 years and her body had to literally scream at her to pay attention. If that doesn't give us all permission to have grace with ourselves, I don't know what does.
Jen created The Pearl Project: mental health kits because she kept wishing she could send clients home with something tangible. The work people were doing in therapy was so powerful, but then they'd leave and have to wait another week or two for their next session.
Each kit includes:
A metaphor or story
Science-based therapeutic content
A tangible object you can touch and hold
Question decks for reflection
The whole approach is multisensory because neuroscience shows us we integrate things better when we can touch, smell, see—not just think about them cognitively.
Some other great things we dug into together:
💛 How to choose a therapist
Real talk: Not every therapist is going to be a good fit, even if they're great at what they do. And it's OKAY to break up with your therapist. You heard it here—Jen said it!
💛 What actually is a trigger?
We talked about how "trigger" has become this catch-all word for "this person annoyed me." But in a therapeutic context, a trigger is an event or sensation that activates a specific nervous system response—usually tied to an old hurt or injury.
💛 What to do when you're triggered
This is where it gets practical. Jen shares 4 things you can do in the moment when you're activated (and the last one is huge).
💛 The corrective emotional experience
This is when you try something new—like speaking up or setting a boundary—and you get positive reinforcement. It starts rewiring your brain.
Some Quotes That Gutted
12 Nov 2025
Ep92: Alzheimer's prevention and healthy living (that only sucks a little bit) with Rachel Daugherty
Check out my free resource vault at https://www.morganmotsinger.com/vault
Life can get pretty hairy, pretty quickly. When Rachel's mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and she was thrust into a caregiving role, something major shifted. She started to think about her own health, and not just from an aesthetic perspective, but from a neuroprotective standpoint. She dug deep into the research about Alzheimer's prevention, brain health, and microhabits that have long-term positive results.
Rachel was an absolute delight to talk to, and her online presence has grown tremendously because of her approachable demeanor, humor, smarts, and heartwarming vulnerability.
More about Rachel:
Rachel Daugherty is the daughter of a woman with Alzheimer’s and knows firsthand the grief, fear, and heartbreak of watching someone you love lose themselves. Her mission is to show people they are not doomed to repeat their family’s story. Through evidence-based tools and the practice of self-connection, Rachel teaches how to change habits from the inside out — seeing each choice as more than an act toward brain health, but also an act of self-love. By helping people reframe their relationship with food, fitness, and health, she empowers them to build self-trust and lasting strength that protects both body and brain. Rachel shows others how to shape their future selves while becoming the strongest, most alive version of themselves now — and she wants to show you how.
You can find Rachel and her amazing work at:
Website www.bootyandbrains.co
Instagram @bootyandbrains.co
You can find Morgan:
Website https://www.morganmotsinger.com/
Instagram @morgan_motsinger
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