This is the Prehospital Emergency Care Podcast, the official Podcast for the National Association of EMS Physician's (NAEMSP) journal, Prehospital Emergency Care. This bimonthly podcast contains in-depth interviews with manuscript authors and engaging commentary from EMS physicians Dr. Hawnwan Moy, Dr. Scott Goldberg, Dr. Jeremiah Escajeda, Dr. Joelle Donofrio-Odmann, Dr. Maia Dorsett, Dr. Lekshmi Kumar.
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This is the Prehospital Emergency Care Podcast, the official Podcast for the National Association of EMS Physician's (NAEMSP) journal, Prehospital Emergency Care. This bimonthly podcast contains in-depth interviews with manuscript authors and engaging commentary from EMS physicians Dr. Hawnwan Moy, Dr. Scott Goldberg, Dr. Jeremiah Escajeda, Dr. Joelle Donofrio-Odmann, Dr. Maia Dorsett, Dr. Lekshmi Kumar.
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April 19, 2026
Ep. 160: The Prehospital Trauma Compendium - Prehospital Blood, Vasopressors, TXA, and Traumatic Cardiac Arrest
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"> </p> <p>Welcome to the Prehospital Emergency Care Podcast!</p> <p>In this episode, hosts <strong>Jeremiah Escajeda, Greg Muller,</strong> and <strong>Ariana Weber</strong> discuss four of the sixteen articles from the Prehospital Trauma Compendium.</p> <p>In 2025, the Prehospital Trauma Compendium introduced crucial guidelines and insights regarding the management of traumatic injuries in prehospital settings. This episode summarizes four significant articles that focus on the use of blood products, vasopressors, tranexamic acid, (TXA), and care for patients in traumatic cardiac arrest. If you're an EMS professional or a medical provider involved in trauma care, these insights are vital for improving patient outcomes.</p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Featured Articles</strong></span></p> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" style= "background-color: white;" tabindex="-1"></p> <div class="csl-bib-body"> <div class="csl-entry">Brown, J. B., Yazer, M. H., Kelly, J., Spinella, P. C., DeMaio, V., Fisher, A. D., … Guyette, F. X. (2025). Prehospital Trauma Compendium: Transfusion of Blood Products in Trauma – A Position Statement and Resource Document of NAEMSP. Prehospital Emergency Care, 1–10. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2025.2476195</div> </div> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" style= "background-color: white;" tabindex="-1"></p> <div class="csl-bib-body"> <div class="csl-entry">Orpet, R. E., Barrett, W. J., Kaucher, K. A., Colwell, C. B., & Lyng, J. W. (2024). Prehospital Trauma Compendium: Vasopressors in Trauma – a Position Statement and Resource Document of NAEMSP. Prehospital Emergency Care, 1–7. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2024.2437656</div> </div> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" style= "background-color: white;" tabindex="-1"></p> <div class="csl-bib-body"> <div class="csl-entry">Barrett, W. J., Kaucher, K. A., Orpet, R. E., Campion, E. M., Goodloe, J. M., Fischer, P. E., … Lyng, J. W. (2025). Prehospital Trauma Compendium: Tranexamic Acid in Trauma – A Joint Position Statement and Resource Document of NAEMSP, ACEP, and ACS-COT. Prehospital Emergency Care, 1–8. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2025.2497056</div> </div> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" tabindex="-1"> </p> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" style= "background-color: white;" tabindex="-1"></p> <div class="csl-bib-body"> <div class="csl-entry">Breyre, A. M., George, N., Nelson, A. R., Ingram, C. J., Lardaro, T., Vanderkolk, W., & Lyng, J. W. (2025). Prehospital Trauma Compendium: Prehospital Management of Adults with Traumatic Out-of-Hospital Circulatory Arrest – A Joint Position Statement and Resource Document of NAEMSP, ACS-COT, and ACEP. Prehospital Emergency Care, 1–15. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2024.2428668</div> </div> <p> </p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>As always THANK YOU for listening.</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Hawnwan Philip Moy MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PECpodcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PECpodcast&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1x3TAeforfZmNC9zfQbOOi">@pecpodcast)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Scott Goldberg MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2VyFEugl7y133lae4WmAC-">@EMS_Boston</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Jeremiah Escajeda MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2BqI3o4e7I9hKrl1eU70M_">@jerescajeda</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Joelle Donofrio-Odmann DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PEMEMS" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PEMEMS&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1LiHRu6_7_fIcn_20cRDSb">@PEMems)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Maia Dorsett MD PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/maiadorsett" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/maiadorsett&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1XUrGjtrMNp9vFB7jcUflk">@maiadorsett</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Lekshmi Kumar MD, MPH(<a href= "https://twitter.com/GradyMED1" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@Gradymed1</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Greg Muller DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/DrMuller_DO" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@DrMuller_DO</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Ariana Weber MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/aweberMD4" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@aweberMD4</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rebecca Cash PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/CashRebeccaE" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@CashRebeccaE</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Michael Kim MD (<a href= "https://www.threads.com/@michaeljukim" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@michaeljukim</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rachel Stemerman PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/steminformatics?lang=en" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@steminformatics</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Nikolai Arendovich MD</strong></span></p>
March 9, 2026
Ep. 159 Deep Dive: Trends in Prehospital First-Attempt Use of Supraglottic Airwasy in Non-Cardiac Arrest Patients: A Descriptive Study
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><img src= "//assets.libsyn.com/show/58800/Deep_Dive_Series.001-20230929-wu2ar39vnb.jpeg" alt="" width="400" height="225" /></p> <p> </p> <p>Welcome to the Prehospital Emergency Care Journal Podcast!</p> <p>In this Deep Dive episode, host <strong>Maia Dorsett</strong> speaks with <strong>Aaron E. Robinson</strong>, <strong>Sarah K. S. Knack</strong>, and <strong>Michael C. Perlmutter</strong> about their paper, <a href= "https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/10.1080/10903127.2025.2593579?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Trends in Prehospital First-Attempt Use of Supraglottic Airways in Non-Cardiac Arrest Patients: A Descriptive Study</a>.</p> <p>The conversation explores how airway management in EMS may be evolving, including growing interest in supraglottic airways as a first-line approach rather than solely a rescue device. The authors discuss key airway concepts—such as RSI, DSI, and rapid sequence airway—and review what their national dataset reveals about current practice patterns. Along the way, they examine variations in medication strategies, including the continued use of sedation-only approaches and airway placement without neuromuscular blockade or medications. The discussion raises important questions about how EMS clinicians balance speed, safety, and skill maintenance when managing critically ill airways in the field.</p> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Featured Article</strong></span></p> <p id="csl-response" class="csl-response copy__text" tabindex="-1"> </p> <div class="csl-bib-body"> <div class="csl-entry">Robinson, A. E., Knack, S. K. S., Driver, B. E., Prekker, M. E., Perlmutter, M. C., Bunting, A. J., … Puskarich, M. A. (2026). Trends in Prehospital First-Attempt Use of Supraglottic Airways in Non-Cardiac Arrest Patients: A Descriptive Study. Prehospital Emergency Care, 1–8. https://doi.org/10.1080/10903127.2025.2593579</div> </div> <p style="text-align: center;"> </p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>As always THANK YOU for listening.</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Hawnwan Philip Moy MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PECpodcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PECpodcast&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1x3TAeforfZmNC9zfQbOOi">@pecpodcast)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Scott Goldberg MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2VyFEugl7y133lae4WmAC-">@EMS_Boston</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Jeremiah Escajeda MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2BqI3o4e7I9hKrl1eU70M_">@jerescajeda</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Joelle Donofrio-Odmann DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PEMEMS" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PEMEMS&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1LiHRu6_7_fIcn_20cRDSb">@PEMems)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Maia Dorsett MD PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/maiadorsett" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/maiadorsett&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1XUrGjtrMNp9vFB7jcUflk">@maiadorsett</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Lekshmi Kumar MD, MPH(<a href= "https://twitter.com/GradyMED1" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@Gradymed1</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Greg Muller DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/DrMuller_DO" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@DrMuller_DO</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Ariana Weber MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/aweberMD4" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@aweberMD4</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rebecca Cash PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/CashRebeccaE" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@CashRebeccaE</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Michael Kim MD (<a href= "https://www.threads.com/@michaeljukim" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@michaeljukim</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rachel Stemerman PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/steminformatics?lang=en" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@steminformatics</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Nikolai Arendovich MD</strong></span></p>
January 28, 2026
Ep. 158: Special Episode - Prehospital Care for Patients with Opioid Use Disorder
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"><img src= "//assets.libsyn.com/show/58800/52242656-6c84-45dd-a46f-75c07f1aa70a.png" alt="" width="362" height="362" /></p> <p>Are you ready for NAEMSP?! <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="0">In this special edition of the </span><span class="ng-star-inserted">Prehospital Emergency Care podcast</span><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "65">, host Greg Muller is joined by Guest Editor Remle Crowe to discuss the journal's latest special issue:</span> <strong class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="170">"Enhancing Prehospital Care for Patients with Opioid Use Disorder"</strong><span class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="236">. This episode goes beyond the statistics to explore the</span> <span class= "ng-star-inserted">d</span><span class="ng-star-inserted">eeply human experiences</span> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="317">behind the data.</span></p> <div class="message-text-content mat-body-medium"> <div class="ng-star-inserted"> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "424"><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="424">The episode features in-depth conversations with leading researchers on the front lines of the crisis:</span></div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "526"><span class="ng-star-inserted">• </span><strong class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="526">Bringing Treatment to the Streets:</strong> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "560">Dr. Andrew Godfrey and Advanced Practice Paramedic Vicki Coles discuss the implementation of a </span><span class= "ng-star-inserted">prehospital buprenorphine program</span> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="661">in Wake County, North Carolina, sharing lessons on clinician education and the vital role of "buprenorphine champions" in bridging the gap to long-term recovery</span><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="822">.</span></div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "823"><span class="ng-star-inserted">•</span> <strong class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="823">The Pediatric Perspective:</strong> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="849">Drs. Stephen Sandelich and Garrett Cavaliere reveal surprising findings on how the opioid epidemic affects </span><span class="ng-star-inserted">children and adolescents</span><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "982">, discussing how the crisis transcends socioeconomic boundaries and why EMS must shift its approach to screening younger patients</span><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1111">.</span></div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1112"><span class="ng-star-inserted">•</span> <strong class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1112">Innovative Strategies:</strong> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1134">A preview of the issue's 30 peer-reviewed articles, covering topics from</span> <span class= "ng-star-inserted">drone-delivered naloxone</span> <span class= "ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1232">and natural language processing to the</span> <span class="ng-star-inserted">qualitative lived experiences</span> <span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1301">of clinicians facing burnout</span><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1330">.</span></div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1112"> </div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1331"><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1331">This episode serves as a vital primer for EMS professionals, policymakers, and researchers looking to move from traditional response models toward</span> <strong class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index="1478">sustainable, patient-centered pathways for care</strong><span class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1525">.</span></div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1331"> </div> <div class="paragraph normal ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1526"><strong class="ng-star-inserted" data-start-index= "1526">Access the full special edition here:</strong> <a class= "ng-star-inserted" href= "https://www.google.com/url?sa=E&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Ftoc%2Fipec20%2F29%2F4" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-start-index= "1564">https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/ipec20/29/</a></div> </div> </div> <p> </p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>As always THANK YOU for listening.</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Hawnwan Philip Moy MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PECpodcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PECpodcast&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1x3TAeforfZmNC9zfQbOOi">@pecpodcast)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Scott Goldberg MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/EMS_Boston&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2VyFEugl7y133lae4WmAC-">@EMS_Boston</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Jeremiah Escajeda MD, MPH (<a href= "https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/JerEscajeda&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw2BqI3o4e7I9hKrl1eU70M_">@jerescajeda</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Joelle Donofrio-Odmann DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/PEMEMS" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/PEMEMS&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1LiHRu6_7_fIcn_20cRDSb">@PEMems)</a></strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Maia Dorsett MD PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/maiadorsett" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-saferedirecturl= "https://www.google.com/url?q=https://twitter.com/maiadorsett&source=gmail&ust=1656528431924000&usg=AOvVaw1XUrGjtrMNp9vFB7jcUflk">@maiadorsett</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Lekshmi Kumar MD, MPH(<a href= "https://twitter.com/GradyMED1" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@Gradymed1</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Greg Muller DO (<a href= "https://twitter.com/DrMuller_DO" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@DrMuller_DO</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Ariana Weber MD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/aweberMD4" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@aweberMD4</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rebecca Cash PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/CashRebeccaE" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@CashRebeccaE</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Michael Kim MD (<a href= "https://www.threads.com/@michaeljukim" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@michaeljukim</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Rachel Stemerman PhD (<a href= "https://twitter.com/steminformatics?lang=en" target="_blank" rel= "noopener">@steminformatics</a>)</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center;"><span style= "font-size: 14pt;"><strong>Nikolai Arendovich MD</strong></span></p>
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