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A podcast focused on telling real-life stories to help people broaden their definitions of inclusion, and get a deeper understanding of what inclusion in action looks like – from products, brands, and trends, to lifestyles, organizations, and cultures around the world. Find out more at https://projectinclusion.us
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June 14, 2026
<p><strong>A Conversation with Dr. Curtis Palmore | True But Useless</strong><br /> <br /> What does it take to turn around a school — and why does it have almost nothing to do with curriculum?</p> <p>Dr. Curtis Palmore, CEO of United Charter High Schools — the largest charter high school network in New York City — grew up in the South Bronx. Today, he leads schools in the same neighborhoods where he was raised, and the through-line of his work is simple: kids in under-resourced communities deserve the same quality of education as anyone else.</p> <p>In this conversation, Curtis talks about the mindset shift he believes every school turnaround actually hinges on — what he calls the "true but useless" reframe. When educators get stuck listing everything that's hard about serving high-need students, they're not wrong. But they're also not moving. He talks about what it looks like to lead adults out of that stuckness, before you ever touch a curriculum.</p> <p>He also gets into the role of joy and belonging in high schools (and why it tends to disappear exactly when students need it most), how his network is navigating AI in a way that's intentional rather than reactive, and what New York City's shrinking student population means for schools trying to grow.</p> <p>Curtis has been doing this work for nearly three decades — from his first classroom in Washington Heights to a network serving students across multiple boroughs. This one is full of things worth sitting with.</p>
March 18, 2026
<p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> <strong>A Conversation with Lacey Schütz | Beyond Walls</strong></p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> What does it really take to lead an institution that lives up to its own values? In this episode, we sit down with Lacey Schütz — a cultural leader with over fifteen years of experience at institutions including the Museum of the City of New York and Shaker Museum — now based in Saudi Arabia, where she's been observing a cultural ecosystem being built from the ground up.</p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> Lacey speaks candidly about the hidden costs of scarcity culture in mission-driven organizations, why burnout is a systems failure rather than a personal one, and what humane leadership actually looks like in practice. She reflects on the tension between institutional values and institutional behavior, the quiet power of micro-interactions, and what museums need to let go of to become genuine parts of their communities.</p> <p class= "font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"> From a little girl in the Bronx declaring her love of art to drone shows drawing millions of Saudi families into public space, Lacey reminds us that access to culture changes lives — at every scale. This is a conversation about leadership, institutional change, and what it means to do meaningful work in an uncertain world.</p>
February 27, 2026
<p dir="ltr"><strong>How do you move elephants — without breaking the system or the people inside it?</strong></p> <p dir="ltr">"AI didn't create accessibility risk — it poured gasoline on velocity. And velocity exposes broken systems."</p> <p dir="ltr">That line stopped us in my tracks.</p> <p dir="ltr">In our latest Project Inclusion conversation, we sat down with Cat Noone, CEO of Stark, to talk about what it really takes to move elephants — large organizations navigating accessibility, governance, and product velocity.</p> <p dir="ltr">We explored:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr">Why companies don't ignore accessibility because they don't care</li> <li dir="ltr">The "latent innovation phase" most organizations get stuck in</li> <li dir="ltr">Why moral arguments alone don't drive change</li> <li dir="ltr">How accessibility becomes a growth driver — not a compliance afterthought</li> </ul> <p>What stood out most:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr">Accessibility isn't a tooling problem.</li> <li dir="ltr">It's an infrastructure problem.</li> <li dir="ltr">It's a systems design problem.</li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">And when AI accelerates velocity, weak systems break first.</p> <p dir="ltr">If you lead product, design, engineering, or strategy — this one's worth your time.</p> <p dir="ltr">#Accessibility #SystemsThinking #AI #Leadership #InclusiveDesign #ProductStrategy</p> <p> </p>
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A podcast focused on telling real-life stories to help people broaden their definitions of inclusion, and get a deeper understanding of what inclusion in action looks like – from products, brands, and trends, to lifestyles, organizations, and cultures around the world.
Find out more at https://projectinclusion.us
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