The Rad N' Bad Podcast by Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero isn’t your average ABA podcast, it’s a full-blown wake-up call. These two BCBAs from Hickory Learning Group are smashing through outdated norms and calling out the BS in the field. No fluff, no sugar-coating, just raw, unfiltered truth about what ABA should be. They challenge you to think, question the “why,” and push past complacency. If you're ready to disrupt the status quo and make this field better for clients and practitioners alike, buckle up, Rad N' Bad is here to raise hell and raise standards.

Rad N Bad Podcast
Claim This Podcastby Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero from Hickory Learning Group
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The Rad N' Bad Podcast by Sean Yocum and Michael Carrero isn’t your average ABA podcast, it’s a full-blown wake-up call. These two BCBAs from Hickory Learning Group are smashing through outdated norms and calling out the BS in the field. No fluff, no sugar-coating, just raw, unfiltered truth about what ABA should be. They challenge you to think, question the “why,” and push past complacency. If you're ready to disrupt the status quo and make this field better for clients and practitioners alike, buckle up, Rad N' Bad is here to raise hell and raise standards.
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Recent Episodes

August 3, 2026
Episode 45: Beyond Clinic Walls: 1,300 Sessions & a 1% Cancellation Rate with Melissa Kozak
<p>Most BCBAs are taught that high-integrity care requires a toddler sitting in a clinic 40 hours a week, locked into a screen, and managed by burned-out middle management. <strong>Melissa Kozak</strong> is here to prove that model completely wrong.</p><p>As the founder of Kozak Consulting and Going Independent, Melissa has conducted over <strong>1,300 direct caregiver sessions</strong> with an astounding <strong>1% cancellation rate</strong>. The secret? She ditched the corporate assembly line, threw out the blanket hour prescriptions, and built a pure, caregiver-led practice that prioritizes human connection, Behavior Skills Training (BST), and soft skills over billable unit metrics.</p><p>In this episode, Sean Yocum and Mike Carrero sit down with Melissa to tackle the uncomfortable truths holding the ABA field back:</p><ul><li><p><strong>The Soft-Skills Deficit:</strong> Why so many clinicians struggle to talk to parents without hiding behind an iPad or a checklist—and how to build genuine, rapport-first relationships.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Caregiver-Led Blueprint:</strong> How targeting real-life family priorities (like a 3-second photo or a mealtime routine) leads to lower cancellations and faster, sustainable progress.</p></li><li><p><strong>Ditching the 40-Hour Prescription:</strong> Why massive, blanket hour authorizations are often driving burnout and revenue—not actual clinical necessity.</p></li><li><p><strong>Tech That Works for You:</strong> How tools like HiRasmus can be leveraged to streamline clinical workflows without losing the human element.</p></li><li><p><strong>Taking Control of Your Science:</strong> How burnt-out BCBAs can step off the corporate hamster wheel, cut out the middleman, and launch their own high-impact, independent practices.</p></li></ul><p>If you are ready to stop checking corporate boxes and start engineering real-world outcomes, hit play.</p>

July 24, 2026
Episode 44: Who the Hell Built the BCBA Industrial Complex? with Dr. Han-Leong Goh
<p>The BCBA credential has never been more valuable.</p><p>So why do so many new clinicians feel completely unprepared?</p><p>Sean Yocum and Mike Carrero welcome Dr. Han-Leong Goh for an unapologetic conversation about the systems shaping modern behavior analysis. From graduate education and supervision to insurance reform, billable hours, leadership, and mentorship, they examine how good intentions created incentives that don't always produce great clinicians.</p><p>The conversation isn't about blaming universities, employers, or behavior analysts.</p><p>It's about asking whether the profession has accidentally built a system that rewards the wrong behaviors—and what it would take to rebuild it.</p>

July 15, 2026
Episode 43: Who The Hell Is Steering This Profession? (With The ABA Accountability Project)
<p>The multi-billion-dollar corporate takeover of autism services has officially reached its breaking point. Over the last decade, we have watched private equity firms dump massive capital into the industry, swallowing up small community providers and mass-producing cookie-cutter clinic networks. Somewhere along the line, trade associations and self-appointed accreditation programs stepped behind closed doors and declared themselves the official voice of our science.</p><p>But nobody asked the practitioners on the ground for a vote.</p><p>In this explosive episode of Rad N Bad, Sean and Mike strip away the corporate marketing jargon to answer a simple, glaring question: <strong>Who the hell is actually driving this field?</strong> Joining the studio are <strong>Kirsten Hall and Aaron Gold</strong>, founders of the <strong>ABA Accountability Project</strong>, an organization dedicating itself to tracking power, governance, and transparency inside Applied Behavior Analysis.</p><p>Together, they drop the ultimate "Umpire Analogy"—dissecting the massive conflict of interest where the same entities creating clinical standards are financially tied to the monopolies inspecting them, all while lobbying insurance payers to make those very inspections mandatory. They take a hard, behavior-analytic lens to the dangerous reality of corporate lobbying groups fighting against mandatory frontline RBT credentials under the guise of "improving access to care."</p><p>This isn't a simple personal vendetta; it's a structural evaluation of an industry that treats kids like products and clinical decision-making like an asset portfolio. If you are an independent provider, a clinician drowning under corporate caseload targets, or a parent fighting for quality over volume, this episode is a blueprint for grassroots reform.</p><p>Buckle up. Strong sciences don't fear questions—they invite them.</p>
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