26 Sept 2026
▶︎ AMA Podcast (S-02, E-26) with Lloyd Allen, Master's of Economics candidate at Kobe University from Australia and student of Japanese since the age of 16
So, what does it actually take to become proficient in Japanese—not just conversationally competent, but proficient enough to study economics at a Japanese university, conduct academic research, explore the history of kanji, and consider taking the Kanji Kentei (日本漢字能力検定) Level 1 exam?
Real Gaijin recently interviewed the perfect guest—particularly for the Gen Z audience. He is destined to have an important career connecting Japan with the rest of the world.
Who is he?
Lloyd Allen (https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloyd-d-allen/) been studying Japanese since his teenage years, and his experience provides a valuable perspective on the ongoing debate about shortcuts, apps, immersion techniques, and “fluency.”
Lloyd first came to Japan as a 16-year-old high school exchange student and has been moving between Australia and Japan ever since. He studied economics and Japanese as an undergraduate and spent time at Aoyama Gakuin University and Kobe University. He is now back at Kobe University as a full-time master’s student in economics. Japanese has been a constant thread throughout his journey. Today, Lloyd’s interest extends well beyond communicating. He writes about the Japanese language, society, and history on Substack and has delved into subjects such as the historical evolution of kanji readings. He is preparing to take the Kanji Kentei Level 2 exam, with the Level 1 exam potentially on the horizon.
Check out “Roido Does Japan” on Substack:
On the agenda
The intention of this conversation was to move beyond typical advice about learning Japanese. We discussed Lloyd’s learning approach, effective versus ineffective methods, the differences between formal study and immersion, and how living in Japan improved his Japanese.
We also explored the role of “easy Japanese” (やさしい日本語)—what it is, who it’s intended for, and how it fits into communication and language learning.
Then, we took a deep dive into kanji: why Lloyd finds them fascinating, how he studies them, what the Kanji Kentei demands, and whether pursuing extremely advanced literacy has practical value.
Finally, we considered the bigger question: What does serious Japanese proficiency allow you to understand about Japan that remains largely inaccessible in English?
Key takeaways
* Make Japanese part of your life, not just a subject you study: Lloyd’s central advice is immersion. Find something about Japan or the Japanese language that you genuinely enjoy. Then, incorporate as much Japanese into your everyday life as possible: books, news, YouTube, podcasts, television, friendships, and classes, if available. His own progression accelerated when Japanese stopped feeling like “study” and became the language through which he did things he already wanted to do.
* Combine immersion with systematic repetition: Exposure alone is not enough. Lloyd maintains a vocabulary deck of roughly 15,000 flashcards and uses spaced repetition (SRS) to reinforce words before they disappear from memory. His approach is twofold: first, encounter vocabulary naturally through reading and listening; then, deliberately reinforce it through flashcards. Neither approach works nearly as well by itself.
* Tests are milestones, not the definition of proficiency: The Japanese Language Proficiency Test (JLPT・日本語能力試験) provides useful structure, motivation, and credentials, but Lloyd stresses its limitations—most notably, it does not test speaking or writing. Passing N1 does not mean that someone has “finished” learning Japanese. Learners who want to advance further face challenges such as the Kanji Kentei (日本漢字能力検定), which opens an entirely different level of mastery involving readings, writing, synonyms, antonyms, four-character compounds, and thousands of kanji.
* At advanced levels, progress inevitably slows, so consistency matters more than dramatic gains: Beginners can see rapid improvement because almost everything they learn is new. Advanced learners encounter diminishing returns and periods when progress feels almost invisible. Lloyd’s useful rule is that “one is greater than zero”: reading one page, learning one word, or doing a small amount of Japanese is infinitely more productive than doing nothing. The objective is to maintain exposure rather than waiting for the motivation to undertake a major study session.
* The real payoff from learning Japanese is access to people, relationships, and experiences that would otherwise be unavailable: Lloyd ultimately describes language as a tool rather than an academic achievement. When motivation wanes, he reconnects with the conversations and friendships that would not exist without Japanese. Greater proficiency progressively “unlocks” people, ideas, culture, history, and experiences that remain partly inaccessible through English alone. For Lloyd, this provides a more enduring reason to continue studying Japanese than passing another exam.
Timeline
Substack does not yet have the functionality to allow you to use a link to jump to a specific section like YouTube’s “chapters.” Please refer to the times listed below to navigate through our hour-long conversation. Thank you for your understanding.
Links
* Substack:
* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloyd-d-allen/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/lloyd-d-allen/)
* Kobe University Interdisciplinary Master Program (KIMAP): https://www.group.kobe-u.ac.jp/kimap/ (https://www.group.kobe-u.ac.jp/kimap/)
* AJATT | All Japanese All The Time: https://alljapanesealltheti.me/blog/index.html (https://alljapanesealltheti.me/blog/index.html)
* Spaced Repetition System: https://www.bcu.ac.uk/exams-and-revision/best-ways-to-revise/spaced-repetition (https://www.bcu.ac.uk/exams-and-revision/best-ways-to-revise/spaced-repetition)
* Japanese.io (more about Spaced Repetition, etc.): https://www.japanese.io/ (https://www.japanese.io/)
* INPEX Scholarship Foundation Scholar: https://www.studyinjapan.go.jp/en/search-for-scholarships/detail.php?lang=en&mid=5-00034519 (https://www.studyinjapan.go.jp/en/search-for-scholarships/detail.php?lang=en&mid=5-00034519)
* The New Colombo Plan (NCP) Scholarship Program: https://www.dfat.gov.au/people-to-people/new-colombo-plan/new-colombo-plan-scholarship-program (https://www.dfat.gov.au/people-to-people/new-colombo-plan/new-colombo-plan-scholarship-program)
* Background about the Kanji Kentei Exam (日本漢字能力検定):
* Advice from Uskov Evgeny, a Russian native speaker who was able to pass the Kanji Kentei level 1: https://roshiajin.jp/ (https://roshiajin.jp/)
* Nihongo Kentei (日本語検定): https://www.nihongokentei.jp/ (https://www.nihongokentei.jp/)
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