/rēˈkast/: to give a different form by melting it down and reshaping it. Understanding the trauma our religion inflicted so we can melt it down and reshape it to create a more whole and vibrant spirituality. <br/><br/><a href="https://christinegreenwald.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">christinegreenwald.substack.com</a>
Recasting Religious Trauma Podcast
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/rēˈkast/: to give a different form by melting it down and reshaping it. Understanding the trauma our religion inflicted so we can melt it down and reshape it to create a more whole and vibrant spirituality. <br/><br/><a href="https://christinegreenwald.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">christinegreenwald.substack.com</a>
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October 13, 2023
Dr. Laura Anderson on "When Religion Hurts You"
<p>YOU GUYS. YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE THIS INTERVIEW. I am so excited to bring you this fantastic conversation with Dr. Laura Anderson: religious trauma therapist, co-founder of the <a target="_blank" href="http://religioustraumainstitute.com">Religious Trauma Institute</a>, and founder of the coaching organization <a target="_blank" href="https://www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com/">Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery</a>. And, she has a book coming out into the world on October 17th called When Religion Hurts You: Healing From Religious Trauma and the Impact of High-Control Religion. I was honored to speak with her and be able to pick her brain a bit to share with all of you about her learned wisdom on all things religious trauma! </p><p>*If* you’re not already following Laura, you can find her on Instagram @ <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/drlauraeanderson/">drlauraeanderson</a> or check out her website with tons of resources (and order her book!) at <a target="_blank" href="https://drlauraeanderson.com/">https://drlauraeanderson.com/</a>.</p><p>You’ll want to carve out the time to listen to the whole interview, but if reading is better for you, you can read the fairly accurate transcript in the app / online!</p><p>Please press the “heart” button if you enjoyed the interview, send it to a friend, and share your thoughts in the comments! So excited to hear from you. :)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://christinegreenwald.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">christinegreenwald.substack.com</a>
July 14, 2023
You - Yes, YOU - Are Creative Too!
<p>I’m excited to bring you today’s interview about creativity! Even though I’m on here writing most weeks, to be honest, I don’t typically see myself as a creative person. I don’t have great decorating taste like my friends, I can’t assemble an amazing Lego structure out of nowhere like my husband, and when clients want me to paint with them, I paint the same mountain scene every time. Turns out, I needed to hear this interview with Heather!</p><p>In Ordinary Creativity: How to Survive with Joy, Heather Caliri unpacks how eugenicists, misogynists and racists skewed our understanding of creativity, reframes human ingenuity to include experiences like caregiving, disability, and suffering, and helps you claim your own way of being creative with fierce, unapologetic delight. </p><p>As you listen to the interview, I think you will be surprised, fascinated, and delighted about the topics that come up around this concept of creativity!</p><p>Heather’s background growing up in a “creative” family and the pressure that went with that:</p><p>So like I was just surrounded by very creative people, but the dynamics around that and my family were not always healthy. Like my kind of creativity, the performing kind was like the good kind. Whereas my sister like made art that disturbed people, and my parents were always like, Like she sort of exposed some of the not so healthy dynamics in her family, through her, through her art, well before I felt comfortable doing that.</p><p>And so that was very, like, I was always very nervous about that. And so there was this, I always had this sense that some kinds of creativity were okay and some kinds of creativity were not okay. And even like I would compare myself to my sister because I really respected how great of an artist she was. [There was a lot of] comparing yourself to other people and coming up short… I was held up in our family as the successful one, but at the same time I looked at my siblings and was like, I just really wish I could be like them.</p><p>The eugenics history behind the study of creativity</p><p>The first person to formally study creativity was Francis Galton. And I said, wait, what? The guy who invented eugenics was the first person to formally study creativity?</p><p>The whole idea of differential psychology is what makes human beings, some human beings have different abilities than others, and he really thought that. People who were wealthy and tall and male and white were inherently better. That that was why so many geniuses came from wealthy, established families that they cause it ran in the blood and so therefore, super genius, creative people were better and were like masters of the race and they should be supported and encouraged to have more babies because that would improve.</p><p>Misogynist and racist elements of how we approach creativity</p><p>A lot of women artists never got their due because they would make quilts. And why is it that we think quilts are not a form of abstract art? Like, why do we think that if it's made with fabric, it's not actual visual art, but if Mondrian makes a thing out of geometric squares made out of paint that suddenly that matters.</p><p>But if you put it on your bed, it doesn't matter. Like there is just so much weird supremacy built into visual arts. During colonialism, a lot of art was stolen from different African civilizations. And then artists like Picasso were inspired by it, or artists were inspired by Japanese, Japanese art, and they would say that the artists who basically stole and were riffing off these other artists were the real geniuses, but none of the original artists or their cultures were ever credited for the ideas that that inspired Picasso and other artists of the modernist period.</p><p>Reframing creativity and finding it in the ordinary everyday</p><p>When we realize that creative work and our everyday work — all of it is honoring, all of it is super important. Then we have more connections to other people. We're kinder to the other people around them because we see they matter in whatever genius ideas that I have and their labor is making all of it possible, like all of our collective labor is making all of this stuff possible, and without it, we're all sunk.</p><p>Sometimes creativity happens in the cracks of our daily life. And it is still important. It is still worth doing, even if it's only for 15 minutes. Even if nobody ever sees it, like ideally we would be all set up to share our work as widely and often we would like, but nobody has that. </p><p>The people that I admire, like most as as creative people, don't have that luxury. They're not super famous. They don't have maids. Many of them have chronic diseases. Many of them are caregivers. And I admire the fact that they put those things alongside each other and they say, not that they have to choose between one and or the other, nor that they can have it all, but that all of those things are important and the work can happen in small ways and still be meaningful.</p><p>And of course, listen to the full interview for more tidbits on the intersection of religious trauma and messages about creativity, and what it might mean to claim your identity as a creative person!</p><p>You can find Heather’s book here: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Ordinary-Creativity-How-Survive-Joy-ebook/dp/B0BYFZZFZ1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=JP3R84YU9DQM&keywords=ordinary+creativity+caliri&qid=1678905323&sprefix=ordinary+creativity+calir%2Caps%2C170&sr=8-1">Amazon</a> or <a target="_blank" href="https://www.heathercaliri.com/product/ordinarycreativity/">Heather’s website</a>, and take her <a target="_blank" href="https://www.heathercaliri.com/creativetest/">Creative Personality Test</a> to learn how — not whether— you’re creative!</p><p>Do you consider yourself a creative person? Or after listening to the interview…can you? Did you have any idea about some of the dark background of the concept of creativity? (I didn’t!). What’s your favorite way to create? Leave your thoughts in the comments!</p><p>Music in podcast provided by: </p><p><strong>Above by Sapajou | https://soundcloud.com/sapajoubeats</strong><strong>Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com</strong><strong>Creative Commons / Attribution 3.0 Unported License (CC BY 3.0)</strong><strong>https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://christinegreenwald.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">christinegreenwald.substack.com</a>
June 30, 2023
"Queer People Deserve to Feel Entitled to Live In Their Hometown"
<p>This interview was a joy to record, and I hope you get as much out of it as I did! I speak with Sarah Lewis, who shares her powerful story at the intersection of lesbian identity and religious trauma. She grew up in a small town as a devout Christian but was taught her sexual orientation was not compatible with her religious identity. She escaped to a place of “queer privilege” for about 15 years but returned home with a mission to make her hometown more inclusive than what she experienced growing up. I think you will find her story resonant and compelling, and I hope you enjoy our conversation!</p><p>Interview Highlights:</p><p>On trying to “pray the gay away”</p><p>I was definitely trying to pray a lot away… I knew by eighth grade that I was a lesbian. And [my female pastor] had given me a teen devotional Bible and there was this whole section on homosexuality. And I would just read that section over and over again, cause it was something I was really struggling with. Those feelings. I was just reading it, reading it, reading it, trying to pray that out of me constantly. And I thought, okay. I'll if, if I can become a preacher, I'll get better. Oh yeah. If I can do all these church camps, I'll get better.</p><p>Like it's gonna go away. Like these feelings are gonna go away and they didn't and here I am.</p><p>Hating the church and afraid her parents would hate her</p><p>The more I got to know people around me and the more I continued to discover myself, the more I grew a little bit of — and I will say a hatred —towards the faith-based community, because I felt like they were stifling me to who I was. </p><p>[My parents are] loving and caring. They're great parents. They love me. They love my daughter. They love my wife probably more than they love me, but I really believed that they would hate me. And I believed I had to burden my mom, with ‘your firstborn child's going to earn the kingdom of hell rather than the kingdom of heaven.’</p><p>Finding some healing through a new kind of spirituality</p><p>And [the Science of Minds church] was about positive energy and intention. And it's about finding the God within you. And it doesn't have necessarily have to be this negative connotation. It's this non-denominational being that represents the energy that you put out into the world. And I started adopting those kind of ideas with her. It sounds a little cultish when you explain it. But sending that positive energy out into the universe. And having those positive things return to me just improved my life. </p><p>And studies really show that It's really similar to prayer, right? It's as the faith-based community is praying, they're putting that positive energy out into the universe. It has that return and it just shows the, this is the same idea.</p><p>I don't have to eliminate this huge part of who I am. And being a lesbian, it is a huge part of who I am. The way that I love is different than some other people. And so when I'm being asked to strip that away, [it feels] so impossible. And it feels tragic and it's like telling me, ‘don't love your wife anymore.’ Yeah. I like, I can, I, on the verge of tears is thinking all that. Yeah. It seems ridiculous to me. And then I was able to find a faith. </p><p>Coming back to rural Ohio with a mission</p><p> If we're gonna move back to Ohio, we're gonna make it worth it. We're gonna do everything that we can to make them feel included, and represent something that I didn't get to see when I was their age.</p><p>That [representation] was my main motivation because it took a devastating amount of time to be able to get myself out of that deep sadness. That pit that you're always feeling? That emptiness that you feel in your heart? You're told it's because you need God, when in reality, it was the acceptance of myself.</p><p>The hateful reaction to Pride events and queer representation in Bellefontaine</p><p>I’m at my nine to five job, and I'm receiving hateful messages that ‘we [neo-Nazis] are coming to get you.’ White supremacy groups are circulating our flyers and saying we're child groomers… I catch a message or a screen grab of some hateful stream or thread that started with a picture of my family on it. </p><p>You have these outsiders coming in, encouraging people to fly on planes here and encouraging fellow neo-Nazi members, get an airplane ticket and go to Bellefontaine, Ohio to mess up all their events. </p><p>On the right to take up space in the place you want to live</p><p>We're entitled to share a quiet street with everyone else, with low crime rates. We [queer people] don't just exist in the metropolitan areas. We exist everywhere. I want my child to go to a good school system. I wanna own a little home with some grass. I wanna share that space with everyone else.</p><p>I genuinely want the queer people in this area to feel like they're entitled to be rooted here.</p><p>Christine: I don't know how politicized your upbringing was, but mine was rather a lot politicized and I was indoctrinated about like the gay agenda. Like, exactly what you're saying. You guys actually came here to have family support. And then it was like, oh, and also while we're here, let's go with the mission. Let's make this place inclusive. Here you are just trying to live your lives and there are these neo-Nazis and white supremacists who are like, ‘I don't like your agenda.’ My agenda to…have a quiet street??</p><p>About the Parasol Patrol who volunteer at events where hate groups may protest</p><p>They do not interact. What they do is shield [families from hateful protestors], using their umbrellas to shield out the hate. </p><p>The founder likes to wear a speaker and play Disney music. [The Disney copyright makes it so the livestreams are taken down due to the copyrighted music playing in the background.] So then the neo-Nazi groups aren't able to continue to push their agenda on livestreams.</p><p>[By the way, the Pride event we talk about went off without a hitch: some “Proud Boys” signs were hung around town but no actual protestors came to the event. Seeing all the support from the Parasol Patrol and the friendly honks of cars driving by was amazing, though!!]</p><p>What came up for you as you listened to this episode? What are your thoughts on the particular intersection of queer identity and conservative Christianity, and even more specifically, in a rural environment with little queer visibility? What dreams do you have of making the place where you live a more inclusive place? Can’t wait to chat in the comments!</p><p>Intro and outro music by:</p><p><strong>Above by Sapajou | https://soundcloud.com/sapajoubeats</strong><strong>Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com</strong><strong>Creative Commons / Attribution 3.0 Unported License (CC BY 3.0)</strong><strong>https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/deed.en_US</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://christinegreenwald.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">christinegreenwald.substack.com</a>
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