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Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast

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by Amri B. Johnson

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The Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast goes far beyond what the host, Amri B. Johnson, considers redundant, how-to diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogues. He aims to create a space to speak the truth and examine context in DEI. This means creating a path forward for everyone to rethink and recognize the benefits of inclusion individually and collectively. Reconstructing in this sense is about creating organizational systems and networks where everyone belongs. <br/><br/><a href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">reconstructinginclusion.substack.com</a>

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July 10, 2026

Reconstructing Inclusion S3E11: You've Been Leading With the Box: Fred Falker on Seeing People First

<p>Welcome to Season Three of Reconstructing Inclusion!</p><p>We're not divided by differences. We're separated by distance. Fred Falker joins Amri to unpack the distance paradigm and why most inclusion work has been solving the wrong problem entirely.</p><p>Fred Falker is President of Falker Consulting Group, Inc. and former Director of Workforce Development for the Saint Louis Zoo. With more than 30 years as an organizational development consultant, he has spent the past twenty-five years developing a fundamentally new approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion that goes beyond anti-racism and unconscious bias training. Instead of focusing on differences between people, Fred focuses on the distance between them and the behaviors that drive genuine connection and belonging.</p><p>In this episode, Amri and Fred explore:</p><p>Why we've been putting the box before the person in inclusion work [00:13:00]</p><p>How the distance paradigm reframes every conflict throughout history [00:18:00]</p><p>What mattering actually means and why it's the foundation of belonging [00:43:00]</p><p>The specific conditions that make people feel they matter at work [00:47:00]</p><p>Real inclusion work requires connection, not judgment [01:15:00]</p><p>Why the field stopped questioning itself and what transformation actually requires [01:07:00]</p><p>What stands out in this conversation is how Fred bridges organizational reality with human truth. He doesn't speak in diversity frameworks or awareness metrics. He speaks in halfway houses, jazz ensembles, and the cost of being seen as an object instead of a person. And somehow, it all connects to why mattering is the only thing that actually builds belonging.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Fred Falker, President of Falker Consulting Group, Inc.</p><p><strong>Connect with Fred Falker:</strong> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fredfalker/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/fredfalker/</a></p><p>If this episode resonated with you, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone in your organization who needs to hear it.</p><p><strong>Let's Connect:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://inclusionwins.com/">https://inclusionwins.com/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/">https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/</a></p><p></p><p>➡️ Subscribe to Reconstructing Inclusion for more unfiltered conversations about the future of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe</a>

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June 12, 2026

Reconstructing Inclusion S3E10: The Brain Science Behind Why Belonging Matters More Than Diversity Numbers

<p>Welcome to Season Three of Reconstructing Inclusion!</p><p>Your brain doesn't process exclusion differently from physical pain. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevelrobbins/">Dr. Steve L. Robbins</a> joins Amri to unpack the neuroscience of belonging and why most inclusion work has been measuring the wrong thing.</p><p>Dr. Steve L. Robbins is a communication scientist, social psychologist, and cognitive neuroscientist who has spent decades studying human behavior. He's worked with Coca-Cola, Disney, Microsoft, NASA, the NBA, and dozens of other organizations. But his entry into this work wasn't academic. It was personal. And this conversation reflects that depth.</p><p>In this episode, Amri and Steve explore:</p><p>Why the early diversity movement built itself around the wrong indicator of justice [00:11:00]</p><p>How the brain reduces every dimension of diversity to one binary: insider or outsider [00:10:00]</p><p>The neuroscience behind why social exclusion is processed as physical pain [00:21:00]</p><p>The Ancient Brain vs. Modern Brain model and how it drives reactive behavior at work [00:27:00]</p><p>The HERO Skills framework: Humility, Empathy, Reflection, and Open-Mindedness [00:29:00]</p><p>Why reflection is the foundational skill for intentional leadership [00:31:00]</p><p>The rainbow trout story and what it really means to prepare an environment for inclusion [00:16:00]</p><p>How storytelling is an underused inclusion technology in organizations [00:38:00]</p><p>What stands out in this conversation is how Steve bridges hard science with plain language. He doesn't speak in abstractions. He speaks in sports analogies, pond fish, and the cost of walking on eggshells. And somehow, it all lands.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Dr. Steve L. Robbins </p><p>Connect with Dr. Steve L. Robbins: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.slrobbins.com/">https://www.slrobbins.com/</a> </p><p>If this episode resonated with you, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone in your organization who needs to hear it.</p><p></p><p><strong>Let's Connect:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://inclusionwins.com/">https://inclusionwins.com/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/">https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/</a></p><p></p><p>➡️ Subscribe to Reconstructing Inclusion for more unfiltered conversations about the future of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe</a>

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May 8, 2026

Reconstructing Inclusion S3E9: The AI-Inclusion Gap Rarely Talked About

<p>Welcome to Season Three of Reconstructing Inclusion!</p><p>Who's shaping the logic of AI systems — and who gets quietly failed when they work exactly as designed, just not for them? That's the inclusion gap Amri Johnson and Peter Swimm dig into in this conversation.</p><p>Peter Swimm is the founder and CEO of Toilville and has spent over 25 years in conversational AI, building systems for companies like Walmart, Chipotle, and Lowe's before leading generative AI work at Microsoft Copilot Studio. He's one of the sharpest voices in the industry on where AI gets inclusion right — and where it doesn't.</p><p>In this episode, Amri and Peter explore why diverse voices in tech need more than a seat at the table — they need actual influence over how systems get built. They get into the "Devon Avenue" framework for thinking about inclusive design, the accountability gap that shows up when AI fails real people, and why AI companies may need us more than we need them.</p><p><strong>What you'll hear:</strong></p><p>Why AI hallucinations are less a technical problem and more a people gap</p><p>The difference between diversity in hiring and diversity in decision-making</p><p>What "who's responsible when the decision is wrong?" looks like in practice</p><p>Why building for failure from day one is an inclusion issue, not just an engineering one</p><p>The data leverage argument: what it means that AI companies need fresh human data to stay relevant</p><p><strong>About the Guest</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterswimm/"><strong>Peter Swimm</strong></a> is the founder and CEO of Toilville, a consultancy helping organizations use AI without losing the institutional knowledge and human expertise that make them effective. He co-founded Talkabot, the industry's first dedicated conversational AI conference, and got his start teaching Chicago communities how to use the internet at the public library in 1996. Peter is a vocal advocate for ethical, human-centered AI — arguing that truly inclusive AI requires diverse voices shaping systems from the start, not just auditing for bias after the fact. Find him at <a target="_blank" href="http://toilville.com">toilville.com</a>.</p><p>#Inclusion #AI #Algorithm #Leadership #OrganizationalDesign #Diversity #Technology #FutureofWork #ConversationalAI</p><p></p><p>If this episode got you thinking, share it with someone working in tech, HR, or DEI who hasn't yet grappled with what AI means for their work. Subscribe so you never miss an episode of Reconstructing Inclusion.</p><p></p><p><strong>Let's Connect:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://inclusionwins.com/">https://inclusionwins.com/</a></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/">https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/</a></p><p></p><p>➡️ Subscribe to Reconstructing Inclusion for more unfiltered conversations about the future of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">reconstructinginclusion.substack.com/subscribe</a>

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What is Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast?

The Reconstructing Inclusion Podcast goes far beyond what the host, Amri B. Johnson, considers redundant, how-to diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogues.

He aims to create a space to speak the truth and examine context in DEI. This means creating a path forward for everyone to rethink and recognize the benefits of inclusion individually and collectively.

Reconstructing in this sense is about creating organizational systems and networks where everyone belongs. <br/><br/><a href="https://reconstructinginclusion.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">reconstructinginclusion.substack.com</a>

How often does this podcast release new episodes?

This podcast updates bi-weekly.

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This podcast is available on 10 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.

Does this podcast accept guests?

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