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How do people really learn? And what can you as a training expert learn from that to keep improving our training? That's what Roy de Vries, Learning Innovator at aNewSpring explores in Roy's Training Improvement Café. Every 6 weeks he sits down with learning luminaries to go in depth and get practical on topics like workplace application & transfer effectiveness, goals & objectives, relevance & motivation, opportunity to learn and how to turn training into habits.
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September 3, 2025
<p><strong>Episode 04 – Dirk Bannenberg on Training for Real Change</strong></p><p>In this episode of the Training Improvement Café, Roy sits down with Dirk Bannenberg, co-founder of Nobi Learning and a seasoned trainer who’s worked with some of the biggest training providers in The Netherlands. Together, they explore how to turn training from a one-off event into a catalyst for lasting behaviour change.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>💡 Spoiler alert: Real change starts </strong><strong>before</strong><strong> the training day…and continues long after.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>About Dirk</strong></p><p>Dirk Bannenberg is co-founder of Nobi Learning and an experienced trainer with a background in teaching, corporate training, and change management. Passionate about making training meaningful, he combines adult learning, leadership, and change management principles to help organisations achieve lasting behavioural change.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What you'll learn in this episode</strong></p><ul><li>Why friction and discomfort in training can actually be a good sign</li><li>How to uncover the “question behind the question” when clients ask for training</li><li>Practical nudges that make behaviour change stick (from bathroom stickers to handwritten notes)</li><li>Why training is more like a *campaign* than a one-day event</li><li>How to keep participants motivated long after the training ends</li><li>The power of the ADKAR change model (Awareness, Desire, Knowledge, Ability, Reinforcement)</li><li>Why managerial support and feedback are non-negotiable for real transfer</li><li>What Dirk learned from change thinker Thijs Homan about culture and “petri dishes”</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Quick tips to apply right away</strong></p><ul><li>Add small nudges before and after training (emails, reminders, stickers, handwritten notes).</li><li>Frame training as a *campaign:* build anticipation, involvement, and follow-up.</li><li>Ask participants: *“When will this day be a success for you?”* and use their answers.</li><li>Use the “Better Not” exercise to surface resistance to new behaviours.</li><li>Don’t shy away from feedback when attempts at new behaviour fail. It fuels growth.</li></ul><p><strong>Episode highlights</strong></p><p>[00:01:00] – Why intrinsic motivation is non-negotiable for real behaviour change.</p><p>[00:04:59] – Uncovering the real learning need behind client requests.</p><p>[00:08:01] – The challenge of involving managers and starting with nudges.</p><p>[00:10:50] – From bathroom stickers to pre-training mail packages: creative nudges that stick.</p><p>[00:14:45] – The “Better Not” exercise to surface resistance and spark reflection.</p><p>[00:16:37] – Why managers must give feedback—even when it feels uncomfortable.</p><p>[00:20:02] – Designing impactful learning experiences on limited budgets.</p><p>[00:22:04] – Applying the ADKAR change model to training.</p><p>[00:25:32] – Why reinforcement at 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months really matters.</p><p>[00:26:00] – Petri dishes of meaning: how real change happens at the coffee machine.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Resources & inspiration mentioned</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.prosci.com/blog/adkar-model"><u>ADKAR change model</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thijs-homan-95a3b146/?originalSubdomain=nl"><u>Thijs Homan</u></a> (organisational culture)</p></li><li><p><a href="https://nobilearning.nl/"><u>Nobi Learning</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br></p><p>💬 <strong>We’d love your feedback!</strong></p><p>What did you think of the episode? Share your thoughts with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/roy-de-vries-/">Roy</a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dirkbannenberg/">Dirk</a> via LinkedIn.</p><p><br></p><p>📣 Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with fellow L&D pros who care about making learning stick.</p><p><br></p>
July 2, 2025
Learning strategists Bianca Baumann and Mike Taylor explore how learning and development professionals can adopt marketing methods to better understand their audience and personalize training in this interview.
May 21, 2025
<p>“Immersive learning is all about having these assumptions and putting them to the test.”</p><p>Michiel Hulsbergen, Founder @ DialogueTrainer</p><p><strong>Episode 02 – Michiel Hulsbergen on Training Conversational Skills with Digital Avatars</strong></p><p>In this second episode of the Training Improvement Café, Roy sits down with psychologist and DialogueTrainer founder Michiel Hulsbergen. Together, they explore how conversation simulations can boost learning transfer, help professionals build real confidence, and make complex interpersonal skills more trainable and scalable.</p><p>💡 Spoiler alert: If you think your training is effective because learners feel confident, think again.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>About Michiel</strong></p><p>Michiel Hulsbergen is a psychologist with a background in business administration and decades of experience in conversation skills training. He started out as a training actor before founding DialogueTrainer, a company that creates simulation-based learning environments for soft skills. With over 20 years in the field and a decade focused on learning technologies, Michiel brings a rich perspective on the intersection of psychology, emotions, and technology-enhanced learning.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>What you'll learn in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why Michiel thinks traditional text-based training can create <strong>false confidence</strong></p></li><li><p>How interactive <strong>simulations make learners more aware</strong> of complex interpersonal dynamics</p></li><li><p>Why <strong>emotion and believability</strong> are essential ingredients in learning transfer</p></li><li><p>How DialogueTrainer’s tools are used to support real-world <strong>leadership development</strong></p></li><li><p>The impact of <strong>avatar-based practice</strong> versus real-life role play</p></li><li><p>The surprising power of <strong>immersive learning</strong> to surface implicit skills and emotional insight</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Featured Simulation: Game-Changing Leadership</strong></p><p>Roy and Michiel explore a live leadership simulation that helps managers improve coaching skills through realistic dialogue. The demo showcases:</p><ul><li><p>Building rapport and guiding conversations strategically</p></li><li><p>Subtle emotional cues in avatar interactions</p></li><li><p>Reflective decision-making in high-stakes leadership moments</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Quick tips to apply right away</strong></p><ul><li><p><strong>Don’t just aim for confidence—aim for </strong><strong>realistic</strong><strong> confidence.</strong> Simulations can challenge learners’ assumptions and surface hidden gaps in their skills.</p></li><li><p><strong>Use emotion as a signal, not a distraction.</strong> Train learners to reflect on their emotional responses during conversations to better understand behaviour.</p></li><li><p><strong>Combine text and simulation.</strong> Reading builds understanding, but simulations provoke reflection and make learning stick.</p></li><li><p><strong>Start with practice, not theory.</strong> Use immersive scenarios to confront learners with realistic challenges before offering explanatory models.</p></li><li><p><strong>Design for reflection, not just performance.</strong> Include moments where learners pause, assess options, and predict outcomes.</p></li><li><p><strong>Role-play isn't dead—it's scalable.</strong> Use avatar-based role-play to create safe, repeatable practice environments that mimic real pressure.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Michiel’s sources of inspiration</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.thetrustedlearningadvisor.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Keith Keating</a> – The Trusted Learning Advisor</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.paulekman.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Paul Ekman</a> – Facial expression and emotion theory</p></li><li><p><a href="https://lisafeldmanbarrett.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Lisa Feldman Barrett</a> – Constructed emotion and behavioural science</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Nico-H-Frijda/dp/0521316006" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Nico Frijda</a> – Emotions as promoters of interest</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Frans-Waal/dp/0801886562" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Frans de Waal</a> – Primate behaviour and social interaction</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Want to learn more?</strong></p><ul><li><p>Visit <a href="https://www.dialoguetrainer.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">dialoguetrainer.com</a> to explore the tools and research behind DialogueTrainer.</p></li><li><p>Read The Trusted Learning Advisor by Keith Keating for a call to arms for modern L&D professionals.</p></li><li><p>Look up Frans de Waal’s Chimpanzee Politics for behavioural insights with a smile.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>We'd love your feedback!</strong></p><p>What did you think of this episode? Share your thoughts or questions with us at <a href="mailto:roy@anewspring.nl" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">roy@anewspring.nl</a> or tag us on LinkedIn.</p><p>Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with your fellow learning pioneers.</p>
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