Sacred Unrest

About Sacred Unrest

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Publisher

Bruce Pagano II

Category

religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

17 Apr 2024

Latest episode

27 Jul 2025

Latest episodes

13 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   27 Jul 2025

   Letter V: We Were Strangers Once – Immigration and the Kinship of Christ

   To the beloved of Christ dwelling in a land of gates and walls, grace, peace, and conviction to you in the name of Jesus, who was once a refugee child and now reigns as the welcoming King. I write to you in the tension between memory and mercy.Memory, because we were once strangers.Mercy, because we are now the ones with the power to welcome. We are a nation built by migrants and shaped by exiles. Yet many in the Church have forgotten the scriptural heartbeat of hospitality. We have replaced the open table of Christ with gated communities of fear. Let us remember who our God is. The God of the sojourner.The God who walked with exiled Israel.The God who entered the world through the body of a poor, occupied woman.The God whose Son fled to Egypt to escape the wrath of an empire. To follow Jesus is to remember that He did not build fortresses. He built families. The Scriptures could not be clearer: “You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” (Deut. 10:19 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut.%2010%3A19&version=NRSVUE))“I was a stranger, and you welcomed me.” (Matt. 25:35b (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.%2025%3A35&version=NRSVUE))“Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers.” (Heb. 13:2a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Heb.%2013%3A2&version=NRSVUE)) The ethic of the kingdom is not one of seclusion, but of solidarity. Not of exclusion, but of embrace. We do not preserve our nation by abandoning our neighbor.We do not protect our faith by locking our doors.We do not love our children rightly if we ignore the children sleeping on concrete at our borders. And yet, too often, we have baptized nationalism and mistaken it for faithfulness. We have: * Elevated security over compassion. * Prioritized policy over presence. * Whispered prayers while ignoring people. This is not the way of Jesus. Jesus did not come to draw lines around citizenship; He came to tear down dividing walls (Eph. 2:14 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph.%202%3A14&version=NRSVUE)). His kingdom is not bordered by race, language, or legal status. It is defined by love that reaches across every man-made barrier. In the economy of God, the refugee is not a burden but a mirror.The migrant is not an invader but a neighbor.The stranger is not a threat but an image bearer of the divine. So I ask you, Church: * Will we be found welcoming Christ when He comes to us in unfamiliar skin? * Will we open our hearts and homes, or fortify our walls and fears? * Will we remember that the bloodline that matters most is the blood of Christ, poured out for all? This is not about politics; it is about people.It is not about borders; it is about belonging. In our cruciform life, we are not merely called to be safe. We are called to be faithful. And faithfulness means love in action, not just belief in theory. Hospitality is not charity; it is Christianity. So, may we repent of the ways we have rejected the Christ in our midst.May we renew our commitment to a kingdom that knows no stranger.May we welcome as we have been welcomed; extravagantly, undeservedly, and without hesitation. For that is the way of Jesus. Grace and peace to you from the One who makes strangers into family, Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

2. 

   20 Jul 2025

   Letter IV: Beloved and Included – Christ and LGBTQ+ Image Bearers

   To the beloved of Christ in every orientation and identity, grace, peace, and affirmation to you in the name of Jesus, who dined with the excluded and embraced those pushed to the margins. I write to you not as one above the fray, but as one grieving the harm done in Christ’s name, and as one bearing witness to the Spirit still moving in the lives of those the Church too often refuses to see. You are loved.You are wanted.You are not an issue. You are an image bearer. Too long have we traded Christ’s command to love for cultural gatekeeping. Too often has the body of Christ amputated its own members in the name of theological purity. But Jesus said, “By this everyone will know you are my disciples: if you love one another.” He did not say, “if you agree perfectly,”or, “if you fit the mold,”or, “if you hide your story.” He said love. And not just any love: His kind of love. Self-giving. Embodied. Unconditional. Faithful to the end. Let us remember how Jesus welcomed. He did not guard His table with doctrine.He did not use Scripture as a weapon to exclude.He did not flinch at scandal or shame.He embraced. He healed. He listened. He stayed. And He is still doing it, often through the very people others try to cast aside. To our LGBTQ+ siblings: Many of you have endured rejection, distortion, and trauma at the hands of a church and churchgoers more committed to preserving power than honoring your humanity. You have been told that acceptance must come at the cost of your authenticity. You have been offered theology without tenderness, and orthodoxy without belonging. This is not the way of Jesus. Christ-like love never demands that people erase themselves to be embraced. It never makes conformity a condition for communion. The incarnation itself, God taking on flesh, was a declaration that all flesh matters, and that all who bear it are called to walk in dignity and divine love. So let us ask: * What kind of gospel have we preached if it crushes people before it calls them beloved? * What kind of holiness do we promote if it excludes those seeking God in truth and vulnerability? * What kind of church are we building if it cannot make room for the diversity God has woven into creation? Jesus was clear in His teachings that the final word is not the old law but this new love. He gave us the interpretive key: “Love one another as I have loved you. (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2013%3A34-35&version=NRSVUE)” In that light, all theology must be reexamined.All assumptions must be humbled.All traditions must bow to the Christ who still bends down to wash feet. This is not a call to abandon Scripture. It is a call to read it again, through the lens of Jesus, who is the full revelation of God’s heart. And when we do, we find that love is not the exception to holiness. Love is holiness. Beloved Church, there is no revival without reconciliation.There is no holiness without hospitality.There is no kingdom without kinship. So, may we move toward those we once pushed away.May we listen before we speak.May we love without disclaimers. To our LGBTQ+ siblings: you are not on the fringe of God’s heart. You are at its center. Your presence, your gifts, your lives are not a threat to the church; they are a blessing to it. And to those still wrestling, still questioning, still afraid, let love be your teacher. Let Christ be your lens. Let inclusion be your starting point, not your reluctant conclusion. For that is the way of Jesus. Grace and peace to you from the One who names you Beloved, Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

3. 

   13 Jul 2025

   Letter III: On Freedom and the Body – The Sacred Gift of Agency

   To the beloved of Christ in a nation divided by fear and control, grace, peace, and holy discernment to you in the name of Jesus, who set the oppressed free and honored the bodies He came to dwell among. I write to you with the trembling conviction that we must reclaim what it means to honor the image of God in one another, not just in spirit, but in body. The church has often spoken as though salvation were only for souls, forgetting that God put on flesh. That Jesus did not bypass the body but entered it. That His healing touched lepers’ skin, blind eyes, bent backs, and hemorrhaging wombs. The Incarnation declares this truth: Your body matters to God. But in a world, and often, a church, so hungry for control, we have begun to speak of bodies as property to be managed, rather than sacred temples to be respected. We have traded reverence for regulation. Let us remember what Jesus did with power. He did not seize control of people’s choices.He did not shame the vulnerable into silence.He did not legislate morality into the hearts of the broken.He offered dignity.He made space.He extended freedom. “Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.”Freedom is not license, nor is it coercion. It is the sacred space in which love, repentance, and growth can happen. To follow Jesus is to protect that space, not invade it. Beloved, this letter is not a call to abandon ethics. It is a call to anchor them in compassion, to affirm that bodily autonomy is not the enemy of faith but its soil. For God does not coerce trust or love, God cultivates them in freedom. And yet, too often, the church has fought harder for control than care.We have shouted “truth” without listening to the pain.We have weaponized life while ignoring the lives of those already here. So let us ask ourselves: * Have we reduced the body to a battleground for theological debate? * Have we overlooked the trauma wrapped in every ethical dilemma? * Have we upheld the law while abandoning the wounded on the roadside? Jesus told us what to do:Bind their wounds.Sit with them.Love them as He loved us: without condition, without control. This is not a debate about abstract morals. It is a call to embody mercy. And mercy does not demand allegiance before it gives aid.Mercy does not shame someone for needing choices in impossible circumstances.Mercy shows up and says, “I’m with you. God is with you. And you are still loved.” Church, we must be honest: the witness of Christ has been trampled by our obsession with control. But the way of Jesus is not coercion.It is invitation.It is grace.It is presence. If we truly believe in the Spirit’s power to transform, then we must stop trying to do by force what only love can accomplish. So, may we honor the sacredness of each person’s story.May we resist the urge to dominate what we do not understand.May we defend the dignity of bodies as Christ did, by laying down our power and not asserting it. For that is the way of Jesus. Grace and peace to you from the One who took on flesh and gave it for our freedom, Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

4. 

   6 Jul 2025

   Letter II: Blessed Are the Broken – Mercy in a World That Discards (LTTAC video)

   To the beloved of Christ in the land of abundance and affliction, grace, mercy, and clarity to you in the name of Jesus, who was moved with compassion and wept over what the world deemed unworthy of tears. I write to you with the weight of a question:Have we forgotten how to feel? Not how to feel offended.Not how to feel angry.But how to feel compassion. We live in a society that discards the weak, mocks the vulnerable, and punishes the poor. And too often, the church has followed suit, not with cruelty in its hands, but with apathy in its heart. Let us remember what moved Jesus. He did not rush past the bleeding woman.He did not avoid the cries of the blind.He did not silence the leper or cross the road to preserve purity.He stopped. He listened. He touched. He healed. Mercy was not His strategy. It was His nature. And it must become ours. To be merciful is to see the suffering that others ignore.It is to sit with pain that cannot be fixed.It is to believe that no human life is disposable.It is to say, “Your distress is not a disruption to my faith; it is where my faith begins.” This is not softness. It is strength.It is not sentimentality. It is sanctification. Jesus did not bless the powerful, the efficient, or the polished.He said, “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.”Mercy is not a loophole in God’s justice; it is the heart of it and it extends care for the other. So I ask again, Church: * When did we learn to explain away the tears of the traumatized? * When did we become more fluent in judgment than in gentleness? * When did we decide that suffering people were a political problem instead of our sacred neighbors? The Spirit of Christ is not found in cold calculation but in compassionate proximity. We cannot call ourselves followers of Jesus if we do not bend toward the broken.We cannot be His body if we do not carry His heart. And His heart still beats for the hungry child, the grieving mother, the anxious mind, the wounded soul. Mercy is not weakness; it is our witness. Beloved, this is not a guilt trip. It is a gospel invitation. You are loved by the One who bore your wounds in His body. And He calls you not to save the world, but not to look away. To love those the world forgets. To see dignity where others see inconvenience. To bless what others curse. Mercy will always look foolish to those addicted to power.But it will look like Christ to those longing for a Savior. So may we feel again.May we move toward pain, not away from it.May we become, once more, a people of mercy. For that is the way of Jesus. Grace and peace to you from the Compassionate Christ,Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

5. 

   6 Jul 2025

   Letter I: To Follow Jesus is to Carry the Cross of Love (LTTAC video)

   To the beloved of Christ scattered across America, grace, peace, and courage to you in the name of Jesus, who loved us and gave Himself for us. I write to you with the burden of both grief and hope. Grief, because so many who wear Christ’s name have forgotten what it means to follow Him. Hope, because His call still rings out, unwavering: “Follow me.” Not into power, not into safety, not into superiority, but into love. A love that costs. A love that heals. A love that carries a cross. Let us remember what Jesus asked of us. He did not say, “Take up your comfort.”He did not say, “Defend your dominance.”He did not say, “Prove your righteousness.” He said, “Take up your cross.” The cross was not a symbol of cultural relevance or religious pride. It was Rome’s cruel tool of execution, repurposed by Christ as the ultimate sign of self-giving love. And He did not wield it against others. He carried it for others. To be Christian is not to wield the sword of judgment but to bear the wounds of mercy. It is to embody the ethic of the kingdom He proclaimed in His Sermon on the Mount: a way of meekness, mercy, peacemaking, and purity of heart. That sermon, not Caesar’s sword or the Constitution’s amendments, is our moral charter. Jesus’s new commandment, “Love one another as I have loved you,” is not an ornament for our theology; it is the cornerstone. This kind of love is not sentimental. It is sacrificial. It is not ideological. It is incarnational. And it is not optional. Christ-followers, the time has come for us to examine our hearts and ask: * Have we traded the gospel of Jesus for a gospel of power? * Have we made being “right” more important than being loving? * Have we built sanctuaries of self-protection instead of communities of self-giving? The cruciform life - the cross-shaped life - is the only one Jesus ever invited us into. It is the way of downward mobility, of humility and service, of justice that flows not from domination but from compassion. It looks like washing feet. It looks like forgiving enemies. It looks like feeding the hungry and protecting the vulnerable. If your faith costs you nothing, it may not be Christ you’re following. This is not a call to guilt but to grace. You are loved… deeply, relentlessly. Even now, the Spirit is ready to breathe new life into weary disciples, disillusioned believers, and compromised churches. But revival will not come through a flag or a ballot box. It will come when we return, not to empire but to Christ. Beloved, the world will not know us by our influence, but by our love. That is the mark of discipleship. That is the witness the world longs to see. So take up your cross, not in bitterness, but in joy. Not to defeat your neighbor, but to serve them. Not to prove a point, but to love without condition. For that is the way of Jesus. Grace and peace to you from the Crucified and Risen One, In the fellowship of Christ’s love, Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

6. 

   6 Jul 2025

   Introducing "Letters to the American Church" video edition

   Over the past several weeks, I’ve released a weekly letter to the American Church on topics relevant to us today. As I wrote them, my heart and mind was focused on providing a compassionate plea to American Christians to return to caring for others in a way that honors the Christ we claim to follow. I hope that these letters can be a source of encouragement and hope in a time that seems so dark. For those who have left “church” spaces and may feel spiritually homeless, take heart, for you are the church; may these letters bring you comfort.I’ll release the first two immediately, and then the last five will be released weekly on Sundays. In the fellowship of Christ’s love, Bruce This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

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   10 Sept 2024

   6 - Cultivating a Uniquely LGBT Spirituality after Religious Trauma: Interview with Tarrin Anderson, MA

   Send us a text (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2259890/open_sms) In this interview, I talk with Tarrin Anderson, MA, LAC-T, who discusses the journey of LGBTQIA+ individuals healing from religious trauma and finding their spirituality. Tarrin shares insights into the effects of religious harm, the challenges of leaving a religious community, and the importance of self-acceptance and embodiment in the healing process. The conversation highlights practical approaches to fostering healing, reclaiming identity, and creating safe, supportive spaces for LGBTQIA+ individuals in spiritual contexts. Tarrin is a Licensed Associate Counselor-Therapist and a certified Spiritual Director with a Master of Arts in Depth Psychology, specializing in Jungian and Archetypal Studies. Passionate about the Soul, Divine Union, and the power of imagination, Tarrin works with individuals seeking to embody their true selves by connecting deeply with their inner world through dreams, intuition, and creative expression. With a background in spiritual direction, religious/spiritual trauma, Jungian depth psychology, and LGBTQIA+ issues, Tarrin provides a compassionate and transformative space for personal growth and healing. A past president of Phoenix Friends of C.G. Jung, Tarrin is dedicated to helping others align with their most authentic selves and share their unique gifts with the world. You can connect with Tarrin and inquire about working with her here: Website (https://www.bearmedicine.life/) Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/tarrin-anderson-phoenix-az/1303152) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

8. 

   13 Aug 2024

   5 - The New Wine Collective: Interview with Eugene Kim

   Send us a text (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2259890/open_sms) In this episode, we sit down with Eugene Kim, the visionary behind the New Wine Collective, a movement dedicated to empowering individuals to co-create their own spiritual communities wherever they are. Eugene shares his passion for reimagining what it means to be the Church in today's world, emphasizing the importance of connection, participation, and grassroots spirituality. Join us as we explore how New Wine Collective reshapes people's experience and engagement with their faith. Eugene Kim is a spiritual innovator and the founder of New Wine Collective. With a deep commitment to fostering authentic community, Eugene has dedicated his work to challenging the status quo of traditional church structures. His vision is to create spaces where people can feel seen, heard, and actively involved in their spiritual journeys. For more information on New Wine Collective and Eugene Kim’s work, visit New Wine Collective (https://www.newwinecollective.org/). Or read the New Wine Collective White Paper (https://www.newwinecollective.org/white-paper). Other Ways to Connect: NWC Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/newwinecollective/) Eugene Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/eugenepkim/) NWC FB Page (https://www.facebook.com/newwinecollective) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

9. 

   30 Jul 2024

   4 - The Diabolical Trinity: Interview with Mark Gregory Karris, Ph.D.

   Send us a text (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2259890/open_sms) In this episode, I talk with Dr. Mark Gregory Karris, Ph.D., about his book The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self. (https://a.co/d/4udcXui)In his book, Dr. Karris explores the profound impact of religious trauma and offers a path to healing from the damaging effects of fear-based religious teachings. He delves into the psychological wounds inflicted by the concepts of a wrathful God, eternal damnation, and inherent sinfulness, providing insights and therapeutic strategies to help individuals reclaim their spiritual and emotional well-being. (https://a.co/d/4udcXui) Dr. Karris is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who specializes in helping individuals, couples, and families experience healing and wholeness. He offers a holistic, integrative, and experiential approach, drawing from various therapeutic methods, including psychodynamic therapy, internal family systems, and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT). With extensive training in EFT, Dr. Karris helps couples connect on a deeply emotional level to create lasting and meaningful relationships. His compassionate and personalized approach ensures that therapy is tailored to meet each client's unique needs, fostering a safe and supportive environment for growth and transformation. A few of his other books: Religious Refugees: (De)Constructing Toward Spiritual and Emotional Healing (https://a.co/d/jc79uj4) Divine Echoes: Reconciling Prayer With the Uncrontrolling Love of God (https://a.co/d/3fSBlyv) Season of Heartbreak: Healing for the Heart, Brain, and Soul (https://a.co/d/hQYFray) Ways to connect: Website (https://markgregorykarris.com/) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/markgkarris/) *Note: You'll hear me say that the book was released this year. This epidode was recorded in October 2023, so at the time of recording it had only been out for a few months. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

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    18 Jun 2024

    3 - The Death of Omnipotence & Birth of Amipotence: Interview with Thomas Jay Oord, Ph.D.

    Send us a text (https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2259890/open_sms) In this episode, I talk with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, Ph.D., about his book The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence (https://a.co/d/6mU9s7s). Dr. Oord introduces us to a new word, amipotence, which means "all-loving." In this discussion, he makes an argument for an "all-loving" uncontrolling God rather than the controlling "all-powerful" God that most of us grew up with. A few of his other books: Open and Relational Theology: An Introduction to Life-Changing Ideas (https://a.co/d/eZA9Nif) God After Deconstruction (https://a.co/d/fSVVo5Z) Ways to connect: Website (https://thomasjayoord.com/) Newsletter (https://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/newsletter) X (Twitter) (https://x.com/thomasjayoord) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/thomas.oord)Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/thomasjayoord/) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit bpags2.substack.com (https://bpags2.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

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    18 Jun 2024

    3 - The Death of Omnipotence & Birth of Amipotence, Thomas Jay Oord, Ph.D.

    In this episode, I talk with Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, Ph.D., about his book The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence (https://a.co/d/6mU9s7s). Dr. Oord introduces us to a new word, amipotence, which means "all-loving." In this discussion, he makes an argument for an "all-loving" uncontrolling God rather than the controlling "all-powerful" God that most of us grew up with. A few of his other books: Open and Relational Theology: An Introduction to Life-Changing Ideas (https://a.co/d/eZA9Nif) God After Deconstruction (https://a.co/d/fSVVo5Z) Ways to connect: Website (https://thomasjayoord.com/) Newsletter (https://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/newsletter) X (Twitter) (https://x.com/thomasjayoord) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/thomas.oord)Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/thomasjayoord/)

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    4 Jun 2024

    2 - Trauma in the Pews - Interview with Janyne McConnaughey, Ph.D.

    In this episode, I talk with Dr. Janyne McConnaughey, Ph.D., about her book Trauma in the Pews: The Impact on Faith and Spiritual Practices. Dr. McConnaughey reminds us that even if the religious environment isn't the cause of our trauma, the way they handle the trauma we carry is just as important to our healing. Her Other Books: BRAVE: A Personal Story of Healing Childhood Trauma (https://a.co/d/b3E16XV) Jeannie's BRAVE Childhood: Behavior & Healing through the Lens of Attachment & Trauma (https://a.co/d/c4v0fs0) A Brave Life: Survival, Resilience, Faith and Hope after Childhood Trauma (https://a.co/d/0jVrKnp) Ways to connect: Website (https://www.janyne.org ) Substack (https://janyne.substack.com/) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/drjanynemc/) X (Formerly Twitter) (https://twitter.com/janynetweets)Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/janynemc) Email: drjanynemc@gmail.com Intro & Outro Music: Mastering the Art by Big Score Audio If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health or having a mental health emergency, you can call the national emergency line at 988. You can reach out to me at: sacredunrest@gmail.com

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    17 Apr 2024

    1 - Introducing Sacred Unrest

    In this introductory episode, Bruce discusses what the name Sacred Unrest means and his hopes for this podcast. Bruce provides definitions for Religious Trauma using information from: Dan Koch, Spiritual Harm & Abuse Scale (SHAS) Clinical Screener (https://www.dankochwords.com/spiritual-abuse-screener.html) The Reclamation Collective, Religious Trauma (https://www.reclamationcollective.com/) Intro & Outro Music: Mastering the Art by Big Score Audio If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health or having a mental health emergency, you can call the national emergency line at 988. You can reach out to me at: sacredunrest@gmail.com

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