Talk That Pod

About Talk That Pod

Podcasters. They're an interesting bunch. On Talk That Pod, I have conversations with the most interesting podcasters in the world – what does it really take to build a podcast people can't stop listening to? Podcasters, storytellers, and the audio entrepreneurs behind the shows dominating your feed spill the secrets and stories about podcast growth, their podcasting journey, podcast marketing, content strategy, promotion tactics, and the cultural impact of podcasting in today's society. If you're passionate about the power of audio, as a creator, a listener, or both... this is your show. Want to be a guest on this podcast? Head to https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/ This podcast is also available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow And if you're looking for podcast recommendations head over to Find That Pod - https://findthatpod.com

Publisher

Sebastian Arciszewski

Category

arts · business · society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

1 Apr 2026

Latest episode

15 Jul 2026

Latest episodes

18 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   15 Jul 2026

   018 - Jason Rabinowitz - Proof of Concept

   Jason Rabinowitz of Proof of Concept (https://thetastingalliance.com/proof-of-concept) --- SUMMARY In this episode of Talk That Pod, Sebastian sits down with Jason Rabinowitz, co-host of Proof of Concept, a podcast that explores the world of beverage alcohol competitions through the stories of the founders and makers whose spirits have won at the highest level. Jason shares the personal origin story behind the show — rooted in his late father-in-law Anthony Dias Blue's founding of the San Francisco World Spirits Competition — and explains how the podcast has evolved from a simple "why did this spirit win" premise into a broader exploration of subjectivity, objectivity, and the craftsmanship behind excellence. The two dig into building a branded podcast that doesn't feel like an advertisement, the shift toward video and short-form clips in podcast discovery, cross-promotion, and how a "gatekeeper" industry might become more accessible to a wider audience. Jason also opens up about his background as a three-time Grammy-nominated musician and audio professional, and how that experience shaped the show's production. They close with a conversation about generational shifts in alcohol consumption and a rapid-fire round of podcast recommendations. --- IN THIS EPISODE 00:03 – Introduction and welcome to Jason Rabinowitz, co-host of Proof of Concept 00:34 – The origin story of Proof of Concept and the legacy of Anthony Dias Blue 02:11 – The evolution of the San Francisco World Spirits Competition and its global expansion 04:23 – Clearing up a mix-up with another Jason Rabinowitz and correcting the record on his background 05:06 – How Jason's music and audio production career shaped the podcast's production 05:48 – Why the show focuses on founders behind award-winning spirits 06:58 – The rigor, blind tasting process, and volunteer culture behind the competition 09:13 – How guests are selected and the role of co-host Toby Blue 10:00 – The show's shift toward exploring subjectivity versus objectivity in judging 13:47 – What the Tasting Alliance is and how Proof of Concept fits as a branded show 14:39 – Keeping a branded podcast from feeling like an advertisement 17:38 – Video, YouTube discovery, and treating a video podcast like a television show 19:18 – Thinking (or not) about short-form, clip-friendly content 21:06 – Tapping into existing spirits communities as a distribution channel 22:40 – Cross-promotion and going on other podcasts to grow the audience 23:18 – Defining success for Proof of Concept in the next one to two years 25:23 – Dream guests, celebrity spirit brands, and the "white whale" question 28:08 – The generational decline in alcohol consumption and why it may be cyclical 30:45 – The rise of non-alcoholic spirits and how the same judging principles apply 31:18 – Alcohol's long history and its role as a social lubricant 32:30 – Addressing the perception of gatekeeping and snobbery in the spirits world 35:14 – Developing a palate and the parallels to audio engineering vocabulary 36:52 – What makes podcasting unique as a medium 39:12 – Jason's three podcast recommendations 41:19 – Where to find Proof of Concept online --- RESOURCES & LINKS Proof of Concept Podcast (https://thetastingalliance.com/proof-of-concept) The Tasting Alliance (https://thetastingalliance.com) (parent organization) San Francisco World Spirits Competition (https://thetastingalliance.com/events/san-francisco-world-spirits-competition) History of Rock and Roll in 500 Songs (https://500songs.com) (podcast recommendation) Freakonomics Radio (https://freakonomics.com/series/freakonomics-radio/) (podcast recommendation) Heavyweight (https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/heavyweight) (podcast recommendation) Death, Sex & Money (https://pod.link/870688022) (podcast recommendation) A Bit Fruity with Matt Bernstein (https://pod.link/1693739175) (podcast recommendation) Wow in the World (https://tinkercast.com/all-podcasts/wow-in-the-world/) (podcast recommendation) Flip and Mozi (https://tinkercast.com/all-podcasts/flipandmozi/) (podcast recommendation)

2. 

   8 Jul 2026

   017 - Kurt Sasso - Two Geeks Talking

   Kurt Sasso of Two Geeks Talking (https://pod.link/296234690) --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Kurt Sasso, host of Two Geeks Talking, a pop-culture interview show that has racked up over 1,200 conversations across comics, TV, film, music, and video games over the past 18 years. The two swap stories about an unexpected overlap from Sebastian's old merchandise business before digging into Kurt's interviewing philosophy, his research process, and how the show evolved from a two-hour live call-in on TalkShoe into a full video production. Kurt walks through the growth strategies that actually moved the needle for his show, how he built a paid interview service after 15 years of doing it for free, and what he'd do differently if he launched from zero in 2026. The conversation closes with a wider-lens discussion on why long-form podcasts keep thriving in a short-attention-span world, podcasting's growing political influence, and Kurt's firm stance on AI — both in his own research process and in creative work more broadly. --- IN THIS EPISODE 00:20 — Introduction to Kurt Sasso and Two Geeks Talking 01:27 — How Kurt stumbled into podcasting through a friend's webcomics database 02:51 — An unexpected overlap: Sebastian's old merch business and Kurt's webcomic guests 04:30 — Kurt's technique for drawing stories out of shy or reluctant guests 06:58 — Kurt's research process: socials, past interviews, and avoiding repeat questions 10:20 — Looking back at early cringe-worthy interviews and lessons learned 14:21 — Has interviewing led to business or networking opportunities? 17:14 — Common traits among successful creative guests 19:55 — The moment Two Geeks Talking started to take off 23:11 — Pitching and structuring the paid interview service 25:38 — The two or three growth strategies that produced the best results (the 2010 shift to video) 33:43 — Hypothetical: launching Two Geeks Talking from scratch in 2026 39:22 — Which metrics actually matter to Kurt (and why downloads aren't one of them) 42:40 — Outdated podcasting advice Kurt and Sebastian still hear too often 49:35 — Why long-form podcasts thrive despite short-attention-span platforms 52:56 — Podcasting's growing influence on politics and culture 56:16 — AI, creativity, and why Kurt doesn't use AI in his research process 1:00:44 — Staying a fan while still asking challenging questions 1:02:54 — Kurt's podcast recommendations 1:04:22 — Where to find Kurt and Two Geeks Talking --- RESOURCES & LINKS Two Geeks Talking (https://pod.link/296234690) YouTube: youtube.com/TGTMedia (https://www.youtube.com/@TGTMedia) Website: tgtmedia.com (https://tgtmedia.com) Social: @KurtSasso (https://www.instagram.com/kurtsasso/) Mentioned in this episode: Webcomics.com (https://www.webcomics.com) Cyanide and Happiness (Explosm) (https://explosm.net) Ctrl+Alt+Del (Tim Buckley) (https://cad-comic.com) C2E2 (Chicago Comic and Entertainment Expo) (https://www.c2e2.com) TalkShoe (https://www.talkshoe.com) (early live call-in platform) Cliff Ravenscraft (https://www.cliffravenscraft.com), "The Podcast Answer Man" The Tim Ferriss Show (https://pod.link/863897795) Gary Vaynerchuk (content/YouTube) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCctXZhXmG-kf3tlIXgVZUlw) James Cridland, (https://james.cridland.net) Pod News (https://podnews.net) Marshall McLuhan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan), "the medium is the message" --- TALK THAT POD Are you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Follow us: Twitter / X (https://x.com/TalkThatPod) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61588411991733) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talkthatpodshow/) TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@talkthatpod) Threads (https://www.threads.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

3. 

   1 Jul 2026

   016 - Chris Stewart - The History of China

   Christ Stewart of The History of China (https://thehistoryofchina.wordpress.com) --- SUMMARY Chris Stewart is the creator and host of The History of China podcast, a show he launched in 2013 while living in Shanghai that now spans over 330 episodes covering 5,000 years of Chinese civilization. In this conversation, Chris talks about how seventeen years living and teaching in China shaped his approach to the podcast, the challenges of working with ancient and often contradictory historical sources, and how his background as an educator informs the way he scaffolds complex history for new listeners. He also discusses joining the Airwave Media network while staying fully independent creatively, his low-key approach to Patreon monetization, and his thoughts on the democratization of history podcasting and the risks of misinformation in the space. The episode wraps with his podcast recommendations and where to find his show. --- IN THIS EPISODE 00:19 — Introduction to Chris Stewart and The History of China podcast 01:15 — Chris's background, seventeen years living in China, and the show's origin story 02:07 — How his understanding of China evolved over 330+ episodes 06:05 — Living in China while podcasting: technical hurdles and internet censorship 08:15 — Navigating historical sources and deciding what to trust 13:19 — Chinese pride in 5,000 years of continuous civilization, and its nuances 15:23 — Balancing academic rigor with entertaining storytelling 21:50 — Episodes Chris would recommend for understanding modern China (the Opium War and Taiping Rebellion) 25:13 — Joining the Airwave Media network and staying creatively independent 27:37 — Collaborating with other history podcasters and the Intelligent Speech event 28:20 — Bringing new listeners into a 330-episode back catalog 31:55 — Using "scaffolding" techniques from his teaching background to make episodes accessible 34:00 — Tracking audience growth and the early lucky break that boosted listenership 37:25 — Patreon, listener support, and his philosophy on monetization 42:39 — What makes podcasting uniquely suited for teaching history 47:05 — The democratization of podcasting and the risk of misinformation 56:31 — Chris's three podcast recommendations 58:03 — Where to find Chris and The History of China online --- RESOURCES & LINKS The History of China podcast. (https://thehistoryofchina.wordpress.com) Show email: thocpodcast@gmail.com (mailto:thocpodcast@gmail.com) Airwave Media Network (https://www.airwavemedia.com) Revolutions podcast (https://pod.link/703889772) (Mike Duncan) - other podcasts like Revolutions (https://findthatpod.com/podcasts-like-revolutions/) PseudoPod (https://pod.link/179911785) The NoSleep Podcast (https://pod.link/444083093) - best episodes of The NoSleep Podcast (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-the-nosleep-podcast/) Ctext.org (https://ctext.org) (Chinese Text Project) Internet Archive (https://archive.org) --- TALK THAT POD Are you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Follow us: Twitter / X (https://x.com/TalkThatPod) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61588411991733) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talkthatpodshow/) TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@talkthatpod) Threads (https://www.threads.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

4. 

   24 Jun 2026

   015 - Joni Deutsch - Podglomerate

   Joni Deutsch of Podglomerate (https://podglomerate.com) --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Joni Deutsch, Senior Vice President of Marketing and Audience Development at the Podglomerate, an award-winning podcast agency whose clients include PBS, NPR, Netflix, Harvard, and New Hampshire Public Radio. With fifteen years in media, audio, and communications, Joni breaks down how the Podglomerate approaches podcast growth, walking through the agency's six core pillars of marketing work: publicity, marketing, cross-promotions, podcast app relationships, paid advertising, and data management. The conversation moves from practical, low-budget tactics for podcasters starting from zero to the bigger forces reshaping discovery, including the shift from traditional SEO to AI-driven "GEO" search and Google's move to surface Gemini results above the old ten blue links. Joni and Sebastian also dig into the tensions facing the industry, including the pivot to video and a shrinking podcast "middle class," the role of awards, when paid acquisition is worth it, and the heavier questions raised by the "2024 podcast election," parasocial influence, AI-generated shows, and who bears responsibility for fact-checking in an open media system. Joni closes with three podcast recommendations and where to find her work. --- IN THIS EPISODE (00:00) Intro to Joni Deutsch and the Podglomerate (00:38) Is there a universal playbook, or a custom plan for every show? (01:01) The six pillars: publicity, marketing, cross-promotions, podcast apps, paid advertising, and data management (04:16) Why industry relationships are central to executing client work (06:17) Where the data comes from: Apple Podcasts Connect, Spotify for Creators, hosting platforms, and YouTube (with a cameo from Joni's dog) (08:53) Using completion rates and consumption data to inform production, not just marketing (09:26) Evaluating a new client's growth potential and the agency's three service lines (11:05) Award recognition (The Thirteenth Step, Bearbrook) and how accolades feed the publicity funnel (15:04) Joni's take on awards that charge for entry (21:49) Whether every show should be on video, and rethinking what "video" can look like (23:01) The real tension of video: extra editing work, AI tools, and the shrinking podcast "middle class" (24:55) Starting from zero: define your audience, then cross-promo where that audience already is (27:57) Pitching local media, newsletters, and Substacks (and podcast newsletters like Find That Pod) (28:28) How podcast SEO is changing, GEO, and Google surfacing Gemini at the top of search (30:36) Optimizing metadata: listicles, podcast titles, episode titles, and YouTube thumbnails (32:45) The "death of ten blue links" and what it means for publisher traffic (34:06) Marketing the Podglomerate itself, plus the dedicated AI page on their website (36:05) Is the AI optimization actually working? What inquiry data shows (38:06) When should a podcaster invest in paid acquisition, and the risk of vanity metrics (40:55) Podcasting's place in society and the "2024 podcast election" (42:32) AI-generated podcasts, fake "experts," and the proliferation discussed at The Podcast Show London (44:43) Parasocial influence, young voters, and "with great power comes great responsibility" (45:12) Authenticity as podcasting's structural advantage against AI slop (46:12) AI as an assistant, not a full-time employee, and always fact-checking the output (47:59) The one thing Joni would change: automated fact-checking through the platforms (50:07) Whose job is fact-checking, platforms, hosts, or publishers? (51:28) Could podcasting's growing influence invite FCC regulation? (53:44) Three podcast recommendations: The Town with Matt Belloni, The Ankler Podcast, and the Seth Meyers / Lonely Island podcast (55:45) Where to find Joni and the Podglomerate online --- RESOURCES & LINKS Podglomerate (https://podglomerate.com) Podglomerate blog (https://podglomerate.com/media/#blog) Best podcast newsletters list (https://podglomerate.com/must-read-podcast-newsletters/) Work with the Podglomerate (https://podglomerate.com/connect/) (inquiries) Joni Deutsch on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonideutsch/) Podglomerate newsletter (https://podglomerate.com/newsletter/) — free, sent every other week with resources, events, and episodes Shows mentioned Bear Brook (https://www.bearbrookpodcast.com) (New Hampshire Public Radio) The Thirteenth Step (https://www.13thsteppodcast.org) (New Hampshire Public Radio) The Town with Matt Belloni (https://pod.link/1612131897) (The Ringer / Spotify) The Ankler Podcast (https://theankler.com/podcast/) The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast (https://pod.link/1738121304) People mentioned Janine Wright (https://podcastbusinessjournal.com/interviews/jeanine-wright/) (AI podcast company executive, speaking at The Podcast Show London) James Cridland (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamescridland/) (Podnews) Arielle Nissenblatt (https://www.ariellenissenblatt.com) (on paid advertising for podcasters) Ashley Carmen (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashley-carman-13a3a93b/) (Bloomberg podcast reporter) --- TALK THAT POD Are you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? 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5. 

   17 Jun 2026

   014 - Dave Chapman - Real Organic Podcast

   Dave Chapman of Real Organic Podcast (https://realorganicproject.org/get-educated/real-organic-podcast/) --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Dave Chapman, a lifelong organic vegetable farmer from Vermont and creator/host of the Real Organic Podcast (https://realorganicproject.org/get-educated/real-organic-podcast/). Dave shares the origin story of the Real Organic Project (https://realorganicproject.org/), founded in 2018 as a response to what he sees as regulatory failures and corporate corruption within the National Organic Program. He explains how the podcast emerged almost by accident during COVID, evolving from a virtual conference into a long-running interview series that now spans over 280 episodes. The conversation explores the philosophy behind organic and "real organic" certification, the difference between organic and the increasingly popular but loosely defined "regenerative" label, and the regulatory capture that allows large corporations to influence food policy. Dave and Sebastian also discuss building an audience through grassroots community-building and email newsletters, the role of YouTube and video in podcast growth, balancing hope with realism when fighting systemic issues, and the importance of trust between podcasters and their audiences in an increasingly fractured media landscape. --- IN THIS EPISODE 0:12 – Introduction to Dave Chapman and the Real Organic Podcast 00:54 – Dave's background as an organic farmer and the founding of the Real Organic Project in 2018 03:10 – How the podcast started almost by accident during COVID, inspired by a virtual conference project 05:36 – How the show evolved from a farming-focused podcast into broader conversations about community, civilization, and integrity 08:24 – Discussion of regulatory capture and corporate influence on organic certification standards 11:46 – Dave's approach to choosing guests and topics for the podcast 13:02 – The connection between healthy soil and healthy communities, and Dave's personal history as a young organic farmer in the 1970s 15:11 – What "real organic" certification requires and the three core issues with the National Organic Program (hydroponics, animal welfare, and fraud in imported crops) 18:16 – Why organic food costs more and how institutional support for chemical agriculture distorts pricing 22:02 – Guests and interviews that have changed Dave's own thinking, including Zephyr Teachout, Seth Godin, Michael Pollan, and Paul Hawken 23:12 – Generational differences in how people view organic food, and the rise of "regenerative" as a competing term 28:00 – How Dave built his podcast audience through years of community organizing and a weekly newsletter 33:01 – The tension between sensationalism and integrity in podcast growth 34:21 – Video production, equipment setup, and why the Real Organic Podcast has always included a YouTube component 35:31 – Unexpectedly popular episodes, including an interview with Vandana Shiva and a baker from Stone Barns 38:06 – Helping farmers find and tell their stories on the podcast 39:33 – Advice for starting a mission-driven podcast without a big marketing budget 42:09 – Trust, distrust of institutions, and how that connects to podcasting's growth 46:41 – Navigating disagreements with guests and Dave's approach to "hostile" interviews 49:48 – Hope versus optimism, and an experiment illustrating the power of speaking the truth 54:18 – How future generations might view the fight for real organic agriculture 56:08 – Dave's podcast recommendations 57:14 – Where to find Dave and the Real Organic Project online --- RESOURCES & LINKS Real Organic Project (https://www.realorganicproject.org/) Real Organic Podcast (https://realorganicproject.org/get-educated/real-organic-podcast/) Guests and figures mentioned: Zephyr Teachout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyr_Teachout) Seth Godin (https://www.sethgodin.com/) Michael Pollan (https://michaelpollan.com/) Paul Hawken (https://paulhawken.com/) Vandana Shiva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva) Eli Pitkin / Stone Barns Center (https://www.stonebarnscenter.org/) Dan Barber (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Barber) Lindley Dixon (https://realorganicproject.org/team/linley-dixon/): co-host, Real Organic Podcast Podcasts recommended by Dave Chapman: The Market Gardener Podcast (https://themarketgardener.com/podcast/) Scene on Radio (https://sceneonradio.org/) Revisionist History (https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history) --- TALK THAT POD Are you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? 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6. 

   10 Jun 2026

   013 - Kelly Pollock - Unsung History

   Kelly Pollock of Unsung History (https://www.unsunghistorypodcast.com) --- SUMMARY In this episode of Talk That Pod, Sebastian sits down with Kelly Pollock, creator and host of Unsung History, a podcast spotlighting American history through the lives of women, people of color, immigrants, laborers, religious minorities, enslaved people, and Indigenous communities. Kelly traces her path from a religious studies master's program and a long-running politics podcast to building a history show centered on the people conventional narratives leave out. Along the way, she unpacks her distinctive narrative-plus-interview format, her preparation process, how she balances production with a full-time job, and her candid take on what podcasting does (and doesn't) do for how society understands history. --- IN THIS EPISODE (01:21) How a religious studies background and a 50th-anniversary interview with her parents about the Kent State shootings sparked the idea for a history podcast (03:39) Why Kelly deliberately centers marginalized stories and turns down pitches about "rich white men" and presidents (04:34) The two-part format—narrative intro followed by an expert interview—and why writing the intro is the most time-consuming part of every episode (07:16) How she decides what becomes an episode, and breaking her own rules for guests like Lucy Worsley (10:24) Her interview prep: reading each guest's book cover to cover while deliberately avoiding their other interviews to keep her questions fresh (12:02) What makes a great guest, and why historians often outshine politicians as interview subjects (15:25) The episode that reshaped her thinking: how school desegregation after Brown v. Board cost Black teachers their jobs, with a parallel in the decline of the Negro Leagues after MLB integration (18:31) Differentiating in a crowded history-podcast space by acting as a "history communicator" rather than a historian, and citing sources (20:26) Why evergreen content drove faster, more organic growth than her earlier politics podcast, Two Broads Talking Politics (23:36) Promotion that works: guesting elsewhere, big-name guests resharing episodes, and her "tell me what you like and I'll recommend an episode" social experiment (25:40) Social media strategy and why she misses old Twitter, with Bluesky now her closest analog (27:47) A realistic look at her weekly production workflow and the move from weekly to biweekly episodes for the sake of quality and mental health (31:08) The dream production tool she'd actually pay for: an "on this day in history" matcher that auto-promotes relevant past episodes (32:27) Her perspective on podcasting, misinformation, and historical access in a politically fraught moment (37:01) What she hopes listeners take away—more nuance, empathy, and curiosity to seek out further research (39:41) Kelly's three podcast recommendations and where to find her online --- RESOURCES & LINKS Unsung History podcast (https://www.unsunghistorypodcast.com/) — Kelly's show on American history Kelly's website (https://www.kellytheresepollock.com/) (https://www.kellytheresepollock.com/) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/feministkelly.bsky.social) — @feministkelly (Kelly's most active platform) Two Broads Talking Politic (https://twobroadstalkingpolitics.com/)s — Kelly's earlier politics podcast Podcast recommendations from Kelly: Dig (https://digpodcast.org/) — a history podcast produced by four women historians (PhDs) using primary and academic sources, with full source lists in the show notes Science Friday (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Science+Friday&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) (NPR) — expert interviews that break down science for everyday listeners Fake the Nation (https://headgum.com/fake-the-nation) with Negin Farsad — sharp, funny news-and-politics panel show Also mentioned: Kent State shootings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings) (50th anniversary, 2020) Brown v. Board of Education (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education) and its impact on Black teachers The Negro Leagues (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_league_baseball) and MLB integration Lucy Worsley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Worsley) / Agatha Christie episode Kevin Kruse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_M._Kruse), Princeton historian (Bluesky repost driving episode downloads) Will Becton (https://www.jettroadstudios.com/willbecton), lead engineer on Conan O'Brien's podcast (referenced by Sebastian) --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

7. 

   3 Jun 2026

   012 - Will Becton - Jett Road Studios

   Will Becton of Jett Road Studios (https://www.jettroadstudios.com) --- SUMMARY Will Becton spent 12 years at Team Coco, where he served as videographer, editor, and eventually the engineer who built and ran the studio for Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend from its 2018 launch through 2022. In this conversation with Sebastian, Will traces his path from shooting Clueless Gamer segments to engineering one of the most downloaded comedy podcasts in history — and then walking away from a steady job to launch Jett Road Studios, the independent production company and network he runs with his wife and executive producer, Amber Becton, out of Studio City. It's a candid look at the craft and business of podcasting: the technical learning curve of going from video to audio, why three voices like Conan, Sona, and Matt Gourley "sit well in the mix," what it felt like when SiriusXM acquired the operation, and why he eventually took the leap to build his own thing. Will also digs into the realities indie podcasters face today — discoverability in a four-and-a-half-million-podcast marketplace, the pilot-as-development-slate model behind Jett Road Studios Presents, the YouTube tension, and his belief that podcasting, done with good intentions, may be the medium with the best shot at actually changing minds. --- IN THIS EPISODE (01:12) The origins of Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend — the in-house approval process at Team Coco where Conan owned the show, early experiments like Serious Jibber Jabber and writer-led test recordings, and how Adam Sachs (from Earwolf/Midroll) helped make the case as the TV show wound down. (05:21) Shooting Clueless Gamer and the Super Bowl segment with Marshawn Lynch and Rob Gronkowski — the kind of "constant state of readiness" backstage work that made Conan comfortable working with Will. (06:41) How Sona was set as co-host from the start, and how Matt Gourley went from veteran producer to on-mic third co-host almost immediately. (09:59) Building the first studio — cobbling together gear from the defunct Super Deluxe and the old basic cable band dressing room, and learning the Earwolf workflow from lead engineer Brett Morris. (10:51) The audio signature of three distinct voices — why Conan is the most challenging to mix for dynamic range, and the debate over compressing on the way in versus recording clean. (13:12) Memorable early sessions — Will Ferrell recording before the studio was finished, Marc Maron questioning the borrowed mics, Jeff Goldblum, Timothy Olyphant, and Ben Stiller being the first to ask to come on. (16:30) Whether Conan became more vulnerable and human on the podcast — the looseness versus the time pressure of TV tapings, the bananas Mila Kunis episode, and the David Sedaris session Will calls his favorite of the 2018–2022 run. (21:13) Will's surprise jump from video to audio engineering — the humbling compression learning curve and the lesson that there's "no default compression for the human voice." (24:18) How improv shaped his editing — his UCB years (2000–2004 in New York), the "yes, and" ethos, the Chicago influence on Conan's writing staff, and a love of editing "structured improv." (29:00) Leaving Team Coco after 12 years — the "Irish goodbye" during COVID, engineering three shows at once out of the sunroom, the move to Largo, and the Larchmont studio build-out. (32:21) Mixed feelings about the SiriusXM acquisition — the engineer role becoming narrower and "less playful," and losing the "lunatics running the asylum" vibe. (37:17) The 2 a.m. moment at June Lake when Amber told him they were starting their own studio, and building a home studio that mirrors his professional workflow. (41:19) The origin of the name "Jett Road" — his childhood street in Atlanta, the open-door "collection of misfits" environment, and the house later being sold to Andre 3000. (43:13) The Jett Road Studios Presents model — a podcast where every episode is a pilot for a different show, functioning as an "outward-facing development slate" or "sushi menu" of activatable concepts. Includes Mixed Generation, Three Day Champion, and the award-winning pilots. (56:20) What he looks for in a host or concept — chemistry, avoiding the "too many cooks" overcooking he saw at Team Coco, and getting the "pure distillation" of what the host has in mind. (59:43) The business of getting picked up — why "nobody's developing shows right now, they're acquiring shows," the 50,000-downloads-a-month threshold, and how making 12 pilots expanded his network. (01:02:04) The Bad Elizabeth success story — a Guardian write-up and Apple carousel placements, and the sense-memory of the download difference being on versus off the carousel. (01:04:10) What success looks like for Jet Road over five years — staying lean versus staffing up as a full network, a season two of Presents, and exploring TV/IP avenues (with Hulu in the conversation). (01:08:11) Podcast marketing for indies — the slow burn, getting on the Apple carousel, and being "all the places you can be," including Podnews. (01:09:18) The YouTube tension — why he sees video as the "next frontier" and a non-negotiable discovery platform, even as it multiplies editing workload, plus his measured take on AI tools. (01:16:14) Cross-promotion, feed swaps, and email — why he needs to "templatize" promotion, and his thinking on Substack versus Patreon as monetizable audience-retention tools. (01:22:58) Podcasting and public discourse — the Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan episodes (including the blind rock climber that inspired Conan's travel show), the echo-chamber problem, and why podcasting has the best shot at changing minds. (01:26:46) Will's three podcast recommendations and where to find him online. --- RESOURCES & LINKS Will Becton & Jett Road Studios Website (https://www.jettroadstudios.com) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@JettRoadStudios) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/jettroadstudios) Substack (https://jettroadstudios.substack.com) Shows mentioned Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend (https://pod.link/conan) (https://pod.link/conan)(Team Coco / Earwolf) - Best episodes of Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-conan-obrien-needs-a-friend/) Jett Road Studios Presents (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jett-road-studios-presents/id1776366616) — the pilot-per-episode development slate Bad Elizabeth (https://pod.link/1832614771), Mixed Generation, Three Day Champion (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/three-day-champion/id1832383571) (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/three-day-champion/id1832383571)— Jett Road pilots/shows Serious Jibber Jabber (https://teamcoco.com/serious) with Conan O'Brien Clueless Gamer (https://teamcoco.com/cluelessgamer) (https://teamcoco.com/cluelessgamer)(Team Coco) Never Not Funny (https://pod.link/142348028) (Jimmy Pardo) Superego (https://pod.link/129558037) and I Was There Too (https://pod.link/1657009592) (Matt Gourley) Comedy Bang Bang (https://pod.link/316045799) / Bang Bang World (Scott Aukerman) May I Elaborate? (https://pod.link/1562371862) (JB Smoove & Miles Gross, Team Coco) Will's three podcast recommendations Wrong Turns (https://pod.link/1498855031) with Jameela Jamil (https://pod.link/1498855031) Past Due (https://pod.link/1207507389) with Ana Marie Cox & Open Mike Eagle (https://pod.link/1207507389) Origin Stories (https://pod.link/1833077585) with Matt Shaer (https://pod.link/1833077585) (Campside Media) People &...

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   27 May 2026

   011 - Abigail Vacca - Global Treasures

   Abigail Vacca of Global Treasures (https://globaltreasures.podbean.com) --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Abigail Vacca, creator and host of Global Treasures — a podcast exploring the history, legends, and culture behind UNESCO World Heritage Sites. Abigail shares how a childhood bucket list rediscovered during pandemic stress-cleaning led her to fill a surprising gap in the podcasting world. She opens up about her meticulous research process, how the show has reshaped her worldview (including her eating habits), and what it really means to be a responsible storyteller when covering places as fragile as they are fascinating. The conversation also touches on content strategy, the video-vs-audio podcasting debate, parasocial relationships with listeners, and what Abigail wishes someone would invent to make her one-woman operation a little easier. --- IN THIS EPISODE 00:08 — Introduction: Sebastian introduces Abigail Vacca and the Global Treasures podcast 00:40 — Origin story: how a childhood bucket list found during pandemic cleaning sparked the show 03:22 — Season structure: how Abigail selects sites by following UNESCO's chronological designation years 04:36 — Research process: 4–6 hours per episode on average, and why Rome nearly became a two-parter 05:48 — Personal growth: how the podcast made Abigail more humble, open-minded, and adventurous at the dinner table 08:33 — Serving all listeners: balancing "armchair travelers" with active trip planners, and handling dangerous or off-limits sites like Garamba National Park 10:31 — Audience insights: shorter episodes win, and listeners want the why behind a destination, not just where to eat 11:37 — Underrated sites: why Independence Hall in Philadelphia deserves more credit than it gets 12:41 — Best mythology: the Yeti, Kathmandu Valley, and why Abigail loves that Nepal leans into the legend (including Yeti Airlines) 14:12 — Content strategy: running a podcast, blog, and mailing list as a one-woman show 15:41 — Standing out: what separates Global Treasures from the crowded travel podcast space 17:05 — Surprise hit: the unexpectedly popular episode on Ouro Preto, Brazil's gold rush capital 17:59 — Marketing tactics: TikTok, Facebook, local news outreach, and pitching to cultural centers 19:22 — Word of mouth: the women's book club that accidentally discovered the show and became devoted listeners 21:20 — Dream tool: the software Abigail wishes existed to automate video editing and SEO 22:15 — Ethical responsibility: conservation, over-tourism, and why Abigail sounds like a "broken record" about leaving no trace 23:55 — Podcasting's unique role: why long-form audio demands more active engagement than short-form scrolling 25:14 — Parasocial bonds: the intimacy between podcast host and listener, and where Abigail has had to draw boundaries 26:39 — The future of podcasting: saturation, the Golden Globes, and the video vs. audio tug-of-war 29:09 — The video dilemma: why Abigail hasn't made the leap yet (triple-editing her audio in Audacity, Auphonic, and Descript is already a lot) 29:48 — Podcast recommendations: Abigail's three picks 30:37 — Where to find Global Treasures --- RESOURCES & LINKS Guest Global Treasures Blog & Website — globaltreasurestravel.com (https://globaltreasurestravel.com/) Sites & Places Mentioned UNESCO World Heritage Sites (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/) — Full list of all 1,248+ designated sites Stonehenge (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/373) — Wiltshire, England Historic Centre of Rome (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/91) — Italy Independence Hall (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/58) — Philadelphia, USA Kathmandu Valley (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/121) — Nepal (and home of Yeti lore) Ouro Preto (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/18) — Brazil's gold rush historic center Garamba National Park (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/136) — Democratic Republic of Congo Abu Mena — Egypt The Vatican (https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/286) — Vatican City Podcasts Recommended by Abigail Crime Junkie (https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/) - Discover the best episodes of Crime Junkie (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-crime-junkie/), and other podcasts like Crime Junkie. (https://findthatpod.com/podcasts-like-crime-junkie/) If Books Could Kill (https://www.ifbookspod.com/) — hosted by Michael Hobbes & Peter Shamshiri. Discover the best episodes of If Books Could Kill. (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-if-books-could-kill/) Stuff You Should Know (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277/) — hosted by Josh Clark & Chuck Bryant. Discover the best episodes of Stuff You Should Know (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-stuff-you-should-know/), and other podcasts like Stuff You Should Know. (https://findthatpod.com/podcasts-like-stuff-you-should-know/) Tools Mentioned Audacity (https://www.audacityteam.org/) — Free, open-source audio editor Auphonic (https://auphonic.com/) — Automated audio post-production Descript (https://www.descript.com/) — Audio/video editing via transcript --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

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   20 May 2026

   010 - James Cridland - Podnews

   James Cridland of Podnews (https://podnews.net/) --- SUMMARY James Cridland, founder of Podnews — the podcast industry's go-to daily newsletter and podcast with over 33,000 subscribers — joins Sebastian for a wide-ranging conversation about nearly a decade of covering the podcasting world. James pulls back the curtain on how he's built a sustainable, editorially independent media business, why he deliberately keeps Podnews at its current size, and the ethical tightrope of reporting on companies that also advertise with you (including one memorable story of a sponsor trying to buy his silence). The conversation moves into the current state of the industry: the rise of YouTube as a podcast platform, the video-versus-audio debate, and a frank takedown of AI-generated podcast factories like Inception Point AI. James and Sebastian also dig into podcasting's role in politics, the right-wing dominance of podcast charts, and why the democratization of audio remains one of the most exciting things happening in media today. --- IN THIS EPISODE [00:00] Introduction Sebastian introduces James Cridland and the Podnews newsletter. [00:31] The Origin Story of Podnews James recounts how Podnews was born from a single question in a bar after a radio conference: "Where do you find your news about podcasting?" With no comprehensive source available, he launched the newsletter within a month and has published it every weekday for nearly nine years without a single day off. [02:00] Building a Global, Differentiated Newsletter James explains his workflow-first philosophy — bullet points, a fixed publish time, and a one-to-two hour production window — and how writing for a global audience (not just US/NPR-focused podcasting) became a key differentiator. [04:13] A Career in Audio: Virgin Radio, the BBC, and Beyond How decades working in radio — including legal training as a presenter — shaped James's editorial instincts. He argues that running and understanding businesses makes for better journalism than a purely academic journalism background. [06:38] Editorial Judgment: What Makes the Cut James's primary editorial filter is simple: does he find it interesting? He notes, with amusement, that the stories he finds most compelling are almost never the ones that get the most clicks. [08:53] Awards, the Podcast Hall of Fame, and the Isolation of Podcasting James reflects on industry recognition and touches on a broader truth: podcasting is a lonely craft, which makes every review, rating, or piece of listener feedback feel disproportionately meaningful. [12:07] Newsletter Growth, Saturation, and Succession With ~34,000 subscribers and flat growth over 18 months, James questions whether chasing scale is even the right goal — and shares his real concern: growing just enough to one day hire and train a successor. [15:51] Editorial Independence and the Tightrope of Sponsor Relationships A deeply honest conversation about how Podnews maintains journalistic integrity with advertisers. James describes a confrontation at an industry event where a company tried to buy positive coverage — and he responded by publishing his most aggressive piece about them directly on top of their newly purchased ad spot. [21:07] YouTube: Dominant Platform or Overhyped? James pushes back on the narrative that YouTube has "won" podcasting, questioning whether usage data reflects actual podcast consumption. He warns that a YouTube-dominated world would hollow out the open podcast ecosystem — hosting companies, ad networks, and independent infrastructure would all become irrelevant. [24:37] The Video Podcast Debate Is video a must-have or a nice-to-have? James argues that the pressure to go on camera is deterring newcomers and, worse, degrading the audio product — citing an example of a popular UK podcast that opened with "as you can see..." while many listeners were, of course, only listening. [29:16] AI-Generated Podcasts and Inception Point AI A pointed critique of companies mass-producing AI podcasts — 261 new shows per day in Inception Point AI's case — that flood directories with unverified, undisclosed AI content, including fake medical advice. James shares a jaw-dropping example of an AI-generated episode that broke into English mid-show to say it was confused by its own prompts. [35:05] Where AI Can Add Legitimate Value in Podcasting James draws a line: AI for show notes, transcripts, and clip selection is genuinely useful. AI replacing human voices and creativity, without disclosure, is not. He revisits the Luddites — misunderstood as anti-technology when they were really pro-quality. [36:43] Podcast Discoverability The platforms are getting better, but there's still room to grow. James champions the open "Podroll" standard — where podcasters recommend other shows — as more valuable than any algorithm, and advocates for real-world advertising over podcast-to-podcast cross-promotion. [40:34] How to Launch a Podcast with No Audience James's strategy: be where your niche audience already is. Don't spam your show — become a valued community member first. And reframe success: "self-sustaining creativity" (covering your car payment, taking your partner to dinner) is a legitimate and worthy goal. [43:57] Podcasting and Political Influence Did podcasts make Trump president? James is skeptical, arguing that people's political priors are rarely shifted by a single podcast appearance. He explores why right-wing content thrives on audio (outrage is easier to package than nuance) and what Australia's ranked-choice voting system reveals about healthier political discourse. [50:16] Podcast Regulation: How Much Is Coming? James argues podcasts are already regulated — libel law, advertising standards, copyright — and that the real tension is between two different definitions of freedom: the American "freedom to do anything" versus the European "freedom from harm." [52:48] How Will Future Media Historians View Podcasting? Podcasting reversed the soundbite era, letting people speak at length and be heard as full human beings. James sees the democratization of media — anyone on the same platform as Joe Rogan — as podcasting's most enduring contribution. [56:04] Three Podcast Recommendations James's picks: Death in Ice Valley (BBC/NRK co-production), The Bugle (long-running satirical news podcast), and This Week in Tech (nearly 20 years of video and audio podcasting done right). [58:42] Where to Find James Podnews newsletter, his personal site, and Mastodon. --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS James Cridland Podnews newsletter: podnews.net (https://podnews.net/) Personal website: james.crid.land (https://james.crid.land/) Mastodon/Fediverse: @james@bne.social Mentioned Publications &amp; Newsletters Podcast Business Journal (https://podcastbusinessjournal.com/) — James's weekly newsletter focused on the business of podcasting Platforms &amp; Tools Discussed Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/) Spotify (https://spotify.com/) YouTube (https://youtube.com/) Pocket Casts (https://pocketcasts.com/) — mentioned for its "Podroll" recommendation feature Riverside.fm (https://riverside.fm/) — used to record this episode Buzzsprout (https://buzzsprout.com/) — mentioned as a hosting platform Captivate (https://captivate.fm/) — mentioned podcast hosting platform Libsyn (https://libsyn.com/) — mentioned podcast hosting platform Topics &amp; Companies Referenced Inception Point AI (https://inceptionpoint.ai/) — AI podcast generation company discussed iHeart / Spreaker (https://spreaker.com/) — mentioned as an ad enabler for AI-generated content Edison Research Infinite Dial (https://www.edisonresearch.com/infinite-dial/) — cited for YouTube podcast listening data Air America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(radio_network)) — mentioned as an example of a failed left-wing radio network Podcasts Recommended by James Death in Ice Valley (https://pod.link/1357695290) — BBC/NRK true crime co-production <a href="https://pod.link/TheBugle" rel="noopener...

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    13 May 2026

    009 - Spencer Ford - History for the Reckoning

    Spencer Ford of History for the Reckoning (https://www.historyforthereckoning.com) --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Spencer Ford, creator of History for the Reckoning — a podcast unearthing overlooked and painful chapters of American history through interviews with survivors, historians, scholars, and artists. Spencer traces the show's unlikely origins to a children's book series he co-wrote with his wife called The Little Known Heroes, which led him to the story of Frank Emi and, eventually, a five-year deep dive into the Japanese American incarceration during World War II. Spencer explains the deliberate choice behind every major decision: launching on February 19th (the anniversary of Executive Order 9066), using the term "concentration camps," and opening season one with a personal account from George Takei. At the heart of the conversation is Spencer's belief that the most powerful antidote to historical ignorance isn't a textbook — it's friendship. If listeners come away feeling a genuine connection to the Japanese American community, they'll be far more likely to ensure that "never again" actually means something. The two also dig into the podcast's structure (main interviews plus shorter "addenda" episodes), the surprisingly polarized reception on YouTube vs. TikTok, the role of a publicist and nonprofit grant funding in getting the show off the ground, and what future seasons — including a planned look at chattel slavery in the northern states — might cover. --- In This Episode 00:04 — Sebastian introduces Spencer Ford and History for the Reckoning 00:34 — How a children's book series called The Little Known Heroes sparked Spencer's obsession with Japanese American incarceration — and the story of resistor Frank Emi 02:33 — Visiting the incarceration sites: from Topaz, Utah as a student to the Heart Mountain pilgrimage in Wyoming — and why going with someone personally connected changes everything 05:16 — Why Spencer chose the word "reckoning" — understanding plus change, not just remembrance — and what it would mean for America to truly reckon with this history 07:39 — Launching on February 19th, the anniversary of Executive Order 9066, and why almost no Americans know what happened that day 08:55 — Opening season one with George Takei: the thinking behind leading with personal testimony rather than academic analysis 10:40 — The "addenda" episodes — shorter bonus installments that fill historical gaps and add first-person oral histories (including the story of Japanese Latin Americans hauled to U.S. concentration camps) 12:58 — The morally complicated story of the Japanese American Citizens League and community complicity — and the rare but real cases where American neighbors did speak up 16:03 — A dozen seasons of uncomfortable American history: the through-line of majority indifference to minority suffering, and what stories are coming next 17:41 — Growing a brand-new show: beta listeners, hiring a publicist, and partnering with the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL) to secure nonprofit grant funding 20:21 — Marketing difficult history — why human curiosity lowers the barrier, and the striking algorithm divide between YouTube (combative comments) and TikTok (affirming comments) 23:09 — The Substack newsletter as a "stickier" community-building tool and indicator of listener commitment 24:14 — Standing out in a crowded history podcast field — and why retention numbers beat raw download counts as an early signal 26:01 — Can podcasting's intimate, voice-driven format rebuild human empathy across racial and political divides? 28:41 — The urgency of recording first-hand testimony before the last survivors of WWII incarceration are gone — and a shout-out to oral history archives already doing that work 31:18 — Book bans, curriculum battles, and a polarized political climate: does it make the show more necessary, or harder to reach audiences? 32:18 — Why Spencer deliberately uses the term "concentration camps" — and why he wants the discomfort that word provokes 35:36 — The conversation turns: Spencer asks Sebastian about his own connection to Polish history and the Nazi camps — a candid, personal exchange 37:08 — A preview of season two: chattel slavery in the northern states and the shocking persistence of slavery in Maryland right up to the Emancipation Proclamation 38:44 — Spencer's three podcast recommendations 40:25 — Where to find History for the Reckoning online --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS History for the Reckoning Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/historyforthereckoning/) TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@hftr_podcast) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuSuO8Alrps&amp;list=PLcN4HGBliO_LS15SZQMNcSrL72Va1_-oO) Books Mentioned The Little Known Heroes (https://thelittleknownheroes.com) — children's book series by Spencer Ford &amp; his wife People &amp; Scholars Mentioned Frank Emi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_S._Emi) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_S._Emi)— Japanese American resistor and central figure in Spencer's research George Takei (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Takei) — actor and activist; season one opening guest Susan Kamei (https://www.susanhkamei.com) — scholar; interviewed on the history of Japanese Americans leading up to Pearl Harbor Emily Inouye Huey (https://emilyhuey.com) — author; discussed family stories of the incarceration period Chizu Amorion — survivor; incarcerated at Poston, Arizona Claudia Katayama-Nagi — activist and filmmaker; discussed the Department of Justice camps and Japanese Latin American incarceration Arielle Nissenblatt (https://www.ariellenissenblatt.com) — publicist a podcast marketing expert credited with much of the show's early growth Organizations Mentioned Japanese American Citizens League (https://jacl.org) Densho (https://densho.org) — oral history archive National Japanese American Historical Society (https://www.njahs.org) Incarceration Sites Referenced Topaz War Relocation Center — Topaz, Utah Heart Mountain — Cody, Wyoming (hosts an annual pilgrimage) Poston — Poston, Arizona Podcasts Spencer Recommends Burn Order (https://pod.link/1854194292) (https://pod.link/1854194292)— MSNBC production on Japanese American incarceration Campu (https://pod.link/1531935868) — by Densho (densho.org); life inside the concentration camps Look toward the Mountain (https://pod.link/1552466399) — focused on Heart Mountain, Wyoming You're Wrong About (https://pod.link/1380008439) (https://pod.link/1380008439)— hosted by Sarah Marshall; revisionist history and culture, check out the best episodes of You're Wrong About. (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-youre-wrong-about/) Omnibus Project (https://pod.link/1318335827) (https://pod.link/1318335827)— hosted by John Roderick; wide-ranging deep dives into culture and history --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast

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    6 May 2026

    008 - Jerry Landry - Presidencies of the United States

    Jerry Landry of Presidencies of the United States (https://www.presidenciespodcast.com) SUMMARY In this episode, Sebastian sits down with Jerry Landry, the creator and host of the Presidencies of the United States podcast — a long-running show that has explored American presidential history from George Washington to the present day through more than 300 episodes. Jerry shares the origin story of the podcast, tracing it back to a personal reading project, an April 2016 election that left people hungry for historical context, and a first show dedicated entirely to William Henry Harrison. Over the course of the conversation, Jerry and Sebastian dig into the philosophy behind the show — why the presidency is never just about one person, how cabinet members and first ladies can reshape everything we think we know about a president, and why a figure as vilified as Aaron Burr deserves a more nuanced second look. They also cover the practical realities of building and sustaining a history podcast over nearly a decade: navigating social media, making smart use of AI tools, guesting on other shows, building a fiercely loyal audience, and staying credible in an era of deep public distrust. Jerry closes with a passionate argument for lifelong learning, stepping outside the podcast echo chamber, and three history podcast recommendations for listeners looking to expand their queue. --- IN THIS EPISODE [00:00] — Welcome &amp; introductions. Sebastian introduces Jerry Landry and the Presidencies of the United States podcast. [00:49] — Origin story. How the 2016 election and a personal presidential biography reading project inspired Jerry to launch the show. Why he started with William Henry Harrison, and what drove him to go back to the very beginning with George Washington. [04:06] — Research framework. The core questions Jerry uses to structure each presidential series — how each president approached the office, major events of their tenure, and lasting historical significance — and why the framework needs to stay flexible across very different eras. [07:14] — Beyond the president. Why Jerry dedicates episodes to first ladies, cabinet members ("A Seat at the Table"), and vice presidents, and how the VP series started as an April Fools' joke that took on a life of its own. [10:00] — Hidden historical gems. The case of Benjamin Stoddart — the first Secretary of the Navy under John Adams — as an example of a supporting figure who completely reframes our understanding of a presidency when viewed from his own perspective. [12:50] — Making history feel like a story. Jerry's philosophy as a "bridge" between academic scholarship and general audiences, the role of delivery and voice, and how his partner's advice — "it's not what you say, it's how you say it" — has shaped his approach to writing and recording. [16:04] — How the presidency has evolved. Reflections on nearly a decade of research and how the relationship between the federal government and everyday American life has fundamentally changed from the early Republic to the modern era. [18:40] — AI tools in research and production. How Jerry uses AI as a litmus test for historical accuracy, why he still relies on himself for the actual research, and the specific ways platforms like Riverside have made production tasks like episode summaries and title brainstorming easier. [22:30] — Growing the podcast: lessons from eight years. The first question Jerry tells every aspiring podcaster to ask themselves, why passion and sustainability matter more than growth tactics at the start, and what it felt like the first time a stranger recognized him at a history conference. [25:26] — Social media strategy. Which platforms have worked best for Presidencies, why different platforms attract different types of listeners, and why Jerry cautions new podcasters against trying to do everything at once. [29:25] — Podcast guesting and community. Jerry's 25–30 guest appearances on other shows, why the history podcasting community is unusually collaborative and supportive, and how word-of-mouth remains the single most powerful discovery tool. [31:27] — Casual listeners vs. hardcore fans. The data behind Presidencies' audience makeup, what a recent "top 15 US history podcasts" feature said about Jerry's "fiercely loyal" listeners, and how different series formats serve different listener types. [34:10] — Can podcasting be a career for historians? An honest look at monetization realities, why Jerry still has a day job, and why he believes historians should consider podcasting as part of a broader career that includes speaking engagements, book deals, and nonprofit partnerships. [36:50] — Dream tools. If Jerry could wave a magic wand: faster, smarter audio editing tools that keep things sounding organic. Where AI-assisted editing is already helping — and where it still falls short. [39:05] — Credibility in an era of distrust. How Jerry uses 300+ cited sources per presidential series, the difference between primary and secondary sources, and how he signals uncertainty to listeners rather than projecting false confidence. [43:08] — Rethinking Aaron Burr. Why the standard "villain of the early Republic" narrative falls apart under scrutiny, and Jerry's broader argument for approaching all historical figures as complex, whole human beings rather than statues or demons. [46:56] — Podcasts, echo chambers, and civic discourse. The role podcasting played in the last election cycle, whether the relative lack of algorithmic curation in podcasting is a feature or a bug, and why Jerry thinks cross-genre discovery — and collaboration between podcasters — is essential to breaking out of information bubbles. [56:36] — Three podcast recommendations. Jerry's picks for standout shows in the history podcasting community. [59:38] — Where to find Jerry. All the places to connect with Presidencies of the United States online. --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Guest Presidencies of the United States Podcast - presidenciespodcast.com (https://presidenciespodcast.com/) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/presidencies) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/presidencies.bsky.social) Twitter / X (https://x.com/presidencies89) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/presidenciespodcast/) Threads (https://www.threads.com/@presidenciespodcast) Podcasts Mentioned / Recommended by Jerry Civics &amp; Coffee (https://pod.link/1527172324) — hosted by Alicia; American history in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee The Turning Tides Podcast (https://pod.link/1653316649) — hosted by Joe; deep dives into special historical topics (Jerry has appeared as a guest) Kingdom: Swedish Rulers (https://pod.link/1783392742) — hosted by Chris; deep-dive Scandinavian history, including the new Kingdom series on Swedish monarchs Tools &amp; Platforms Mentioned Riverside (https://riverside.com) — recording and remote interview platform; used by Jerry for recording and AI-assisted clip generation and episode summaries Historical Figures &amp; Topics Referenced William Henry Harrison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison) (9th President — the shortest presidential term in U.S. history) Benjamin Stoddart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Stoddert) — first Secretary of the Navy under John Adams Aaron Burr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Burr) — Vice President and historical "villain" whose story Jerry argues is far more complicated than the standard narrative suggests Thomas Jefferson's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson) presidency and family, including his daughters' roles --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? 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    29 Apr 2026

    007 - James Wolner - Dakota Spotlight

    James Wolner of Dakota Spotlight (https://dakotaspotlight.com) SUMMARY In this episode, host Sebastian sits down with James Wolner, the creator and host of Dakota Spotlight — an acclaimed true crime podcast with 12 seasons and counting, rooted in stories from North Dakota and the broader Upper Midwest. What began as a bar conversation about a suspicious death in western North Dakota has grown into one of the most respected independent investigative audio journalism projects in the region, earning a place in the Dakota State Archives and spawning an Emmy award-winning documentary. James opens up about the unexpected origins of his show — born largely out of frustration with the erosion of facts and journalistic trust in 2019 — and how he channeled a career in photojournalism and IT into a passion for rigorous, story-driven research. The conversation spans the full arc of James's journey: working with Forum Communications, going independent again, navigating the ethical tightrope of true crime storytelling, and his deeply held belief in the power of the "slow burn" documentary format in an age of short-form content. James also shares what it was like living in Sweden for 22 years and how that cross-cultural perspective has quietly shaped his work. This is a rich, candid conversation about storytelling, journalism, independence, and why the right 100 listeners matter more than a million casual ones. --- IN THIS EPISODE [00:07] — Sebastian introduces Talk That Pod and welcomes James Wolner, creator of Dakota Spotlight, a true crime podcast now covering the wider Upper Midwest region with 12 seasons. [01:03] — James traces the unlikely origin of Dakota Spotlight to a 2019 bar conversation about a suspicious death (Victor Newberry) in western North Dakota and his growing unease about the erosion of facts and journalistic trust in public life. [04:28] — James reflects on his unconventional career arc: studying photojournalism in college, spending years in web and database development, and how Dakota Spotlight became his long-delayed return to investigative journalism. [04:57] — Dakota Spotlight became the first podcast ever preserved by the Dakota State Archives. James shares how the timing of the archives' move toward digital preservation played a role — and what that milestone meant to him. [05:54] — Season 3 of Dakota Spotlight ("The House on Sweet and Seventh") was adapted into an Emmy award-winning documentary alongside filmmaker Derek Fletcher. James breaks down how what started as bonus content evolved into a full film produced in under three months — largely during the pandemic. [09:37] — James previews his upcoming film Call Me Shelley, based on Season 7 — the unsolved disappearance of Shelley Juleson in Bismarck, North Dakota. He discusses working again with Derek Fletcher and hopes to screen it locally in Fargo and Bismarck. [10:19] — Ethical storytelling in true crime: how James decides what detail to include or exclude, and why instinct and empathy play a bigger role than any fixed rulebook. [12:47] — A standout example of sensitive storytelling: Season 9, the Mandan Murders. James describes writing a handwritten letter to the perpetrator's family, ultimately resulting in the mother and two sisters reading an open letter directly on the podcast — a moment he's most proud of. [15:39] — Why James returned to producing Dakota Spotlight independently after several years employed by Forum Communications in Fargo. He reflects on the constraints of institutional decision-making (even for small expenses like a $100 records request) versus the freedom of calling his own shots. [18:07] — True crime podcasts typically chase high-profile national stories. James discusses what he thinks draws listeners from outside the region into hyper-local Midwestern stories — including the cultural pull of the Coen Brothers' Fargo. [20:17] — James makes the case for the slow burn documentary format in an era of infinite scroll. He describes going five days down a research rabbit hole to produce a single line of podcast script — and why that kind of deep focus feels like meditation. [23:22] — How AI fits (and doesn't fit) into James's research process. He finds it useful for searching large documents and transcripts, but wary of leaning on it for story direction or creative decisions. [25:33] — Advice for new podcasters entering a saturated true crime market. James talks about geographic niching, the value of starting with zero audience expectations, and why making something you would want to listen to is still the best north star. [29:54] — The moment Dakota Spotlight had its biggest organic spike in listeners: Season 5 and the story of missing Barbara Cotton from Williston, ND. James pre-produced five episodes and released one per day — by day three, the Williston Police Department was calling him. The season culminated in a public event on the 40th anniversary of her disappearance. [32:01] — Keeping listeners engaged between seasons. James shares his approach: releasing shorter "case snapshot" episodes and interviews with other true crime podcasters, while acknowledging the tension between feeding the audience and protecting bandwidth for the main season. [34:15] — The philosophy behind Spotlight Plus and Patreon ($5/month): ad-free listening, full season binge access on day one, and why James sees the subscription tier as a "cozy place where everyone wins a little bit." [36:31] — What growth actually means to James: not video-first platforms, not millions of followers — but finding the right listeners who appreciate long-form, immersive storytelling and will remember exactly where they were when they heard it. [40:45] — The real-world responsibility that comes with true crime podcasting. James reflects on the tension between putting pressure on law enforcement and protecting families — and shares his admiration for shows like In the Dark that have moved the needle on cold cases through public pressure. [43:26] — James lived in Sweden for 22 years. He shares how that cross-cultural experience gave him perspective on the subtle differences between how American and European audiences consume and emotionally engage with story. [46:19] — Are independent audio journalists closing the coverage gap that shrinking local newsrooms left behind? James thinks they are — but worries about the sustainability of doing that work without reliable income. [48:33] — Listener tips and crowd-sourced investigation: the good, the wild ("The Zodiac killer also did it"), and what it taught James about the overwhelming volume of tips that cold case detectives deal with. [51:16] — James's vision for Dakota Spotlight's long-term contribution. He's less concerned with legacy statements about crime and justice, and more moved by the idea that a handful of families feel heard — and that a few hundred listeners will carry a fond memory of experiencing one of his seasons. [52:57] — James turns the tables and asks Sebastian about his podcast discovery newsletter, Find That Pod. Sebastian shares how he saw an editorial gap in podcast discovery and decided to fill it. [57:33] — James recommends three podcasts: My Only Story Season 1 (Dion Wiggett, South Africa), Valley Heat (for laughs), and Pretend (Harvey Oeur). [59:43] — Where to find Dakota Spotlight and closing thoughts. --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Dakota Spotlight Website: dakotaspotlight.com (https://dakotaspotlight.com/) Available on all major podcast platforms Support the Show Spotlight Plus &amp; Patreon: $5/month — ad-free listening and full season binge access on day one Projects Mentioned The House on Sweet and Seventh (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21833760/) — Season 3 of Dakota Spotlight; adapted into a regional Emmy award-winning documentary Call Me Shelley — Upcoming documentary film based on Season 7 (the disappearance of Shelley Juleson, Bismarck, ND); produced with filmmaker Derek Fletcher Forum Communications (https://www.forumcomm.com) (Fargo) — James's former employer during his staff podcasting years Podcasts Recommended by James 🎙️ My Only Story (https://pod.link/1485543075) — Season 1 by Dion Wiggett (South Africa) — 4-episode true crime and investigative journalism 🎙️ Valley Heat (https://pod.link/1530344328) — Recommended for laughs 🎙️ Pretend (https://pod.link/1245307962) — by Harvey Oeur --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? 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    22 Apr 2026

    006 - Drew Frohmann - Sorry About The Murder

    Drew Frohmann of Sorry About the Murder SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Drew Frohmann, the writer and creator behind Sorry About the Murder, (https://www.sorryaboutthemurder.ca) a scripted audio drama set in the fictional small Canadian town of BeaverMount, Ontario, where a Quebecois Zamboni driver is compelled to solve a grisly murder while still getting the ice ready for the game. The show has two seasons and a third in development. Drew grew up in Wawa, Ontario, and spent 20 years working in advertising, specializing in audio and radio. In this wide-ranging conversation, he unpacks how a quirky childhood, a love of audio craft, and an 80s skateboarding movie all collided to produce one of indie audio fiction's most distinctive shows. He also gets refreshingly candid about the grind of writing, promoting, and sustaining a scripted podcast as an indie creator, and shares a piece of advice that every aspiring podcaster needs to hear. --- IN THIS EPISODE [00:04] Sebastian introduces the show and guest — Drew Frohmann, creator of Sorry About the Murder [00:44] Growing up in Wawa, Ontario — and how a rich cast of small-town characters became the DNA of Beaver Mount [03:19] Why Drew didn't want to just write a Trailer Park Boys-style show, and the search for a strong dramatic premise [04:43] The origin story: how the 1980s film Gleaming the Cube sparked the idea of a Zamboni driver solving a murder [05:34] The importance of podcast cover artwork — the process of creating the show's distinctive retro-illustrated look using AI tools combined with art direction from Michelle Lang [08:40] How audience taste for AI-generated imagery has shifted, and why Drew plans to hire a traditional artist for Season 3 [10:36] Diving into the show's premise — why a Quebecois protagonist in an English Ontario small town creates inherent dramatic tension and comedy [12:29] The "unassuming genius" character archetype — how Columbo influenced the lead character, Frenchie [13:49] How the title Sorry About the Murder was born — the earlier working title, Two Minutes for Murder, and why the final title perfectly captures the show's mix of politeness and violence [16:31] How Drew's 20 years in advertising audio shaped the sound design, scene transitions, and production ambition of the show [18:18] The writing process — from Google Docs full of Canadian motives and small-town stories, to plotting clues, to the brutal slog of a first draft [22:00] The difference between advertising copywriting (sprinting) and long-form fiction writing (marathon running) [24:41] Promoting a scripted fiction podcast — why discovery is harder than in true crime or interview formats [25:06] Joining the Fable and Folly Network, crafting a killer trailer, and how feed swaps became the most effective growth tool [27:18] Why true crime listeners rarely cross over to audio fiction — and what that means for targeting [30:39] Sustaining listener engagement between seasons — newsletters, Patreon, feed swaps, and behind-the-scenes content [34:08] YouTube as a podcast discovery platform — and how it's changing Drew's plans for Season 3 [35:04] Navigating monetization: Apple Podcast subscriptions, Patreon, and the challenge of balancing free audience growth with paid subscriber value [39:25] How comedy in podcasting functions as a "court jester" — letting uncomfortable truths land through laughter [40:35] Audio fiction's unique storytelling demands vs. passive listening formats — why it requires more active attention from listeners [42:21] Sorry About the Murder as a refuge from political noise — keeping Beaver Mount as an idealized, rose-coloured Canada [43:56] The "Sorry" maple leaf merch — and whether it still resonates in the current Canadian cultural moment [45:37] Where does deeply crafted audio fiction fit in a media diet dominated by short-form content? Drew's take on audio fiction as "accompaniment" --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS The Show Sorry About the Murder (https://www.sorryaboutthemurder.ca) (https://www.sorryaboutthemurder.ca)— search on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pocket Casts, or your favorite podcast app Instagram: @sorryaboutthemurder (https://www.instagram.com/sorryaboutthemurder) Facebook: Sorry About the Murder (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61560356437712) Referenced in the Episode Gleaming the Cube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleaming_the_Cube) (1989) — the 80s skateboarding film that sparked the premise for Sorry About the Murder Fable and Folly Network (https://fableandfolly.com/) — the audio fiction network Drew credits as a key early growth channel (120–130 shows) Trailer Park Boys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_Park_Boys) — referenced as an example of small-town Canadian comedy done well Stephen Leacock / Stuart McLean's Vinyl Cafe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vinyl_Cafe) — the "idyllic, homespun" Canadian tone that influenced the show's vibe Columbo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbo) — a key character reference for Frenchie's "unassuming genius" detective archetype Hindenburg Journalist (https://hindenburg.com) (Faden) — the audio editing software Drew uses for scripting and production Tattoo Sound + Music (https://www.ta2music.com) — the world-class studio Drew works with for sound design Podcasts Recommended by Drew Harvey in Hell (https://pod.link/1837566056) (by the creator of The Milkman of St. Gads) — a noirish audio drama set during the Satanic Panic of the 80s Sick Man Talking (https://pod.link/1741077689) (https://pod.link/1741077689) / The Fake Cop Chronicles of Newmarket — raw, honest storytelling from a voiceover artist with chronic illness, featuring deeply weird and funny character work Hanna-pocalypse (https://pod.link/1536198867) — a post-apocalyptic audio fiction following the last zombie, described as deeply character-driven and hangout-worthy --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

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    14 Apr 2026

    005 - Jenn Trepeck - Salad With a Side of Fries

    Jenn Trepeck of A Salad with a Side of Fries SUMMARY In this episode, Sebastian sits down with Jenn Trepeck, host of the award-winning podcast A Salad with a Side of Fries (https://asaladwithasideoffries.com/) and a seasoned health coach and business consultant. Jenn's podcast, a top 1.5% show with multiple awards to its name, has become a go-to resource for practical, no-nonsense wellness advice under the guiding philosophy of "wellness without the weirdness." Jenn shares the behind-the-scenes strategy of how she grew her podcast from a passion project launched alongside her health coaching practice into a multi-stream business engine, complete with a membership program, merchandise, book, and coaching practice. Along the way, she and Sebastian dig into the state of the health and wellness podcasting space, the dangers of wellness misinformation, what metrics actually matter, and what the future of independent podcasting might look like. Whether you're a health-conscious listener or an aspiring podcaster, this episode is packed with candid, actionable insights. --- IN THIS EPISODE 00:05 — Sebastian introduces Jenn Trepeck and her podcast, A Salad with a Side of Fries — a top 1.5% podcast with multiple awards. 00:43 — Jenn explains the show's philosophy: "wellness without the weirdness" — real-life health and nutrition advice that doesn't require you to eat only green foods. 01:09 — The origin of the podcast name: Jenn's go-to meal became the show's identity — and a natural filter for who the show is (and isn't) for. 02:39 — The two-format content structure: full-length ~50-minute deep dives vs. short "Nutrition Nuggets." Why both formats were a strategic choice for growing downloads and creating easier entry points for new listeners. 05:35 — "The wellness industry is off the rails": Jenn's guiding principle and how it shapes guest selection, ad partnerships, and content direction. 06:30 — How Jenn uses a pre-podcast discovery call with every guest to ensure alignment, originality, and tangible takeaways for listeners. 08:11 — The "tech bro wellness" problem: why protocols designed for people with unlimited time and money are failing everyday listeners — and how that's starting to shift. 10:19 — Wellness misinformation on podcasts: it's usually not outright lies, it's missing nuance — and the danger of one-size-fits-all health advice. 13:04 — Jenn's audience breakdown: ~85% female, with over 50% of listeners between ages 40–70, and why that's exactly what she expected given her health-first (not aesthetics-first) approach. 14:08 — The hardest nutrition myth to debunk: calories in, calories out — and a clear, simple explanation of why the human body isn't a closed-loop system. 16:54 — The emotional relationship with food: the one question Jenn wishes every listener would ask themselves before starting a new diet or trend. 18:23 — Jenn's take on intermittent fasting: why she's more skeptical for women, and how it fails the "wellness without the weirdness" common-sense test. 22:00 — The #1 growth strategy Jenn swears by: guesting on other podcasts — and why she's been doing it consistently since day one. 23:04 — How to pitch yourself as a podcast guest: what makes a pitch stand out (personalization, unique angle, suggested episode title) and why most paid pitching services miss the mark. 25:27 — Expanding your guest targets beyond your own genre: why listeners of dating, personal story, or women's business podcasts can overlap significantly with a health and wellness audience. 27:36 — How A Salad with a Side of Fries became a real business engine: from a side project during a full-time job, to membership programs, merchandise, group and 1-on-1 coaching, supplements, and a book. 30:36 — The listener-to-client funnel: how consistency and trust move people from casual listeners to paying members — and why in-episode membership mentions are more effective than hard sells. 32:08 — The power of owning your email list: why Jenn (a former email marketing skeptic) now sees it as the only audience channel she truly owns — and why social media followers are "rented." 34:56 — SMS/text marketing as a podcast tool: how Jenn uses one-word text CTAs to make sponsor links easy to act on while listening. 35:35 — Podcast awards — which ones matter and which are pay-to-play: why Jenn values accessible, committee-selected awards over big-name submissions that favor large budgets. 38:43 — Metrics that actually matter: why Jenn pays more attention to completion rates and where listeners drop off than raw download numbers. 42:00 — Is the wellness podcasting space too saturated for new voices? Jenn says no — but strategy and niche clarity matter more than ever. 44:52 — Are health and wellness podcasts a net positive for public health literacy? Jenn makes the case that they are — with an important caveat about echo chambers. 46:44 — Balancing speed vs. accuracy: how Jenn handles emerging health trends (like Ozempic, seed oils, raw milk) before the research fully catches up — including how she covered GLP-1 medications years before they went mainstream. 50:32 — The parasocial trust problem: where Jenn draws the line between being a trusted wellness voice and becoming someone's de facto doctor — and why reminding listeners of that line is part of the job. 52:39 — If podcasting disappeared tomorrow: Jenn reflects on what other medium she'd turn to, and shares her candid view on podcasting's precarious future as money concentrates at the top. 56:36 — Jenn's three podcast recommendations and where to find her online. --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Jenn Trepeck &amp; Her Work A Salad with a Side of Fries — available on all major podcast platforms Website &amp; Free Gift (https://asaladwithasideoffries.com/) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/saladwithasideoffriespod/) - Salad With a Side of Fries Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/jenntrepeck/?hl=en) - Jenn Trepeck X/Twitter (https://x.com/jenntrepeck?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@jenntrepeck) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Saladwithasideoffriespodcast) LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifertrepeck/) 📚 Book: Uncomplicating Wellness: Ditch the Rules. Quiet the Noise. (https://amzn.to/4ssda95) Podcast Awards Mentioned 🏆 Earworthy Independent Podcast Awards (https://medium.com/ear-worthy) 🏆 International Women's Podcast Awards (https://everybody-media.com/awards/) Podcasts Recommended by Jenn Pivot (https://pod.link/pivot) with Kara Swisher &amp; Scott Galloway (https://pod.link/pivot) On with Kara Swisher (https://pod.link/1643307527) Where Should We Begin? (https://pod.link/1237931798) Monster: Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer (https://pod.link/1850397092) Edith! (https://pod.link/1571400332) --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) --- FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

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    8 Apr 2026

    004 - Rob Kassees - 1001 Album Complaints

    Rob Kassees of 1001 Album Complaints --- SUMMARY Sebastian sits down with Rob Kassees, musician, software professional, and host of the 1001 Album Complaints (https://1001albumcomplaints.captivate.fm) podcast, to talk about the show that started as a pandemic project between old bandmates and grew into a 1M+ download music history podcast. At its core, 1001 Album Complaints dissects classic albums from the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die book, blending sharp storytelling with the kind of affectionate, musician-grade nitpicking you'd hear in the back of a band van. Rob opens up about how the show has evolved, what's actually worked to grow an audience, and why he believes letting music (and commentary) breathe is the antidote to the short-attention-span era we're all living through. --- IN THIS EPISODE (00:07) — Sebastian introduces Rob and the premise of 1001 Album Complaints (00:52) — Rob on the show's origin, a pandemic project to reconnect old bandmates through music (01:19) — Why Rob designed the show for longevity before recording episode one (02:49) — How Rob's background as a musician and recording artist shapes the way he deconstructs albums (04:47) — The "complaints" title, balancing affectionate nitpicking with genuine criticism (07:38) — How the co-hosts' distinct personalities emerged organically from 30 years of friendship (08:58) — Controversial verdicts — the UK-centric book list vs. an American perspective (including The Prodigy debate) (11:43) — What makes a better episode: covering an album you love or one you're skeptical about? (13:56) — Rob's two recommended starter episodes for new listeners: The Doors self-titled debut and Digital Underground's Sex Packets (17:10) — What separates podcasts that survive from the ones that don't consistency and the willingness to evolve (19:50) — Key inflection points: delaying promotion to develop the show first, then leaning into Patreon community (22:15) — The Tom Petty / Linn Drum hand clap anecdote — a fan-submitted music history gem (23:16) — How episode titles featuring famous artist names drive organic search and discovery (24:44) — Spotify as the dominant platform for a music podcast — and why Rob optimizes for it over Apple Podcasts (27:00) — Guest appearances on other podcasts — what converts listeners and how to be a good guest (29:12) — The companion Spotify playlist strategy — why Rob publishes a playlist of every song referenced in each episode (32:02) — Using nostalgia and light "rage-baiting" as a community and growth tool (35:51) — Long-form podcasts vs. the short-attention-span era — why complex ideas need room to breathe (40:19) — The show's longer-term vision: can 1001 Album Complaints become a lasting piece of music journalism? (42:31) — What happens when Rob's team reaches album #1001 — glaring omissions, new book editions, and the road ahead (44:49) — Rob's three podcast recommendations (47:48) — Where to find Rob and the show online --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS The Show 1001 Album Complaints website (https://1001albumcomplaints.captivate.fm/) Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/cw/1001AlbumComplaints) Rob's Record Label Chop Unlimited (https://www.instagram.com/thechopunlimited/) — Rob's label releasing his own music and friends' records Starter Episodes Rob Recommends The Doors (https://pod.link/1573078761/episode/ZmM3NDViMTMtZmU5OC00ZmEzLWEzMzktZTg3ODEyYzI5ZWI5) — The Doors (self-titled debut): A rediscovery episode full of genuine surprise and great energy Digital Underground (https://pod.link/1573078761/episode/OTc3NmYyOGUtOWFmZC00NWY4LWEwNTUtNTdmM2ZjMGNjYjA1)— Sex Packets: A famously funny episode; Rob jokes you're better off listening to their episode than the album itself Book the Show Is Based On 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (https://amzn.to/48wnRQO) — Originally published in the 1990s; multiple revised editions exist (approaching 1,100 total albums across all editions) Podcasts Rob Recommends Freakonomics (https://pod.link/354668519) — NPR-style storytelling through an economic lens (based on the book series) - Best episodes of Freakonomics Radio (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-freakonomics-radio/) Acquired (https://pod.link/acquired) — Two friends tell deep-dive backstories of iconic companies (Costco, Trader Joe's, etc.); described as "almost an audiobook" - best episodes of Acquired (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-acquired/) and other podcasts like Acquired. (https://findthatpod.com/podcasts-like-acquired/) Bad Friends (https://pod.link/1496265971) — Stand-up comedians Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino; Rob's pick for best two-person comedy podcast chemistry --- TALK THAT POD Are you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Follow us: Twitter / X (https://x.com/TalkThatPod) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61588411991733) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talkthatpodshow/) TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@talkthatpod) Threads (https://www.threads.com/@talkthatpodshow) FIND THAT POD Discover the best podcasts in the world. (https://findthatpod.com/) - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today. (https://findthatpod.com/)

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    1 Apr 2026

    001 - Arielle Nissenblatt - EarBuds Podcast Collective

    Arielle Nissenblatt on Podcast Discovery, Newsletter Strategy, Podcast Marketing &amp; the State of Independent Podcasting --- SUMMARY In this episode, Sebastian sits down with Arielle Nissenblatt, one of the most well-connected figures in the podcast industry. Arielle is the founder of the Earbuds Podcast Collective (https://earbuds.audio), a community-curated podcast recommendation newsletter she has been running for nine years. She also co-produces Podcasts We Text About (https://podcastswetextabout.substack.com) (with Lauren Passell), writes the Podcast Plunge (https://podcastplunge.substack.com) industry newsletter, and co-hosts two shows: Trailer Park (https://trailerparkpodcast.crd.co) (a podcast trailer review show) and Daily Tips that May or May Not Help (https://dailytipspodcast.com) (with Ned Donovan). She was recently inducted into the Podcast Hall of Game alongside luminaries like Dan Carlin (Hardcore History) and James Cridland (Podnews) Arielle shares her unconventional path into podcasting, from studying geography and juggling seven part-time jobs in Los Angeles, to becoming a go-to voice in audience development, content strategy, and podcast marketing. The conversation covers the messy reality of podcast discovery, why newsletters still matter, the video vs. audio debate, AI's growing role in content creation, and what indie podcasters should actually be doing to grow their shows. If you work in or around podcasting, this episode is packed with hard-won, practical insight. --- IN THIS EPISODE | **00:00** | Welcome &amp; introducing Arielle Nissenblatt — her newsletters, podcasts, and Podcast Hall of Fame induction | | **02:01** | Arielle's "time management secret" — why crunch time and late-night bursts are actually her strategy | | **03:28** | Career turning points: from geography grad to podcast professional | | **05:57** | Moving to LA, juggling seven part-time jobs, and discovering a passion for podcast discovery | | **08:18** | How and why Earbuds Podcast Collective was born in 2017 | | **10:28** | The problem Earbuds was designed to solve — and how community curation works | | **12:54** | The original SurveyMonkey research, growing pains, and pivoting toward creators | | **15:31** | Launching niche spin-off newsletters: sports, kids, comedy, true crime, history, fiction &amp; more | | **19:21** | Live brainstorm: can niche newsletters be monetized? The case for segmenting and AI-assisted archiving | | **20:27** | The short-lived Parla.FM and the ongoing challenge of programmatic podcast recommendations | | **24:57** | "Podcast discovery is broken" — what Arielle actually hears at industry conferences, and why creators are often the problem | | **29:43** | How social media targeting changes (especially Facebook) have made finding niche podcast audiences harder | | **30:45** | Has Arielle ever considered leaving podcasting? The honest answer | | **33:16** | What question Arielle wishes more podcasters would ask — and why generic ChatGPT strategy advice falls flat | | **34:39** | Pitching newsletters: what works, what doesn't, and why reciprocity matters | | **38:11** | The deluge of boilerplate PR pitches — and how to actually stand out | | **40:50** | The state of independent podcasting in 2026: what "indie" even means anymore | | **44:32** | Trends Arielle is pushing with clients: differentiating formats, signature questions, and narrative interview structures | | **47:43** | The video podcast pressure cooker — why Arielle pushes back on "you MUST go video" advice | | **52:37** | Podcasts landing on Netflix and what that signals about where consumption is heading | | **53:56** | One structural change Arielle would make to the entire podcast ecosystem | | **55:25** | The myth of ratings &amp; reviews boosting algorithms — what actually helps discoverability | | **58:36** | AI and podcasting: synthetic voices, mass-produced content, and where Ariel draws the line | | **01:01:31** | A historian's viral Facebook moment — and why offloading our brains to AI is a growing problem | | **01:04:55** | Marketing mindset shift for podcasters who are allergic to self-promotion | | **01:06:26** | Borrowing existing audiences: guesting, feed drops, cross-promos, and tight calls to action | | **01:08:35** | Diagnosing a plateaued show: Arielle's checklist for podcasters stuck at a few hundred downloads | | **01:11:35** | Growth tactics that are mostly a waste of time (if you're not treating them as experiments) | | **01:13:15** | How podcasts are shaping political opinions — and the intimacy factor that makes podcasters so influential | | **01:15:40** | Indie podcasters' responsibility when covering controversial or factual topics | | **01:16:42** | Arielle's three podcast recommendations for anyone new to listening | | **01:18:27** | Where to find Arielle online | --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Earbuds Podcast Collective (https://earbudspodcastcollective.org/) — Community-curated podcast recommendation newsletter (9 years running). Anyone can submit a themed list of 5 episodes. Podcasts We Text About (https://podcastswetextabout.substack.com/) — Newsletter co-written with Lauren Pesel Podcast Plunge (https://podcastplunge.substack.com/) — Industry-focused newsletter featuring repurposed press releases and community comments Trailer Park (https://trailerparkpodcast.crd.co/) — The podcast trailer review podcast Daily Tips that May or May Not Help (https://dailytipspodcast.com/) — Co-hosted with Ned Donovan Blog post Arielle mentions: 9 Content Tweaks To Test That Double as Podcast Marketing (https://podcastplunge.substack.com/p/9-content-tweaks-for-podcast-marketing) Companies &amp; Platforms Mentioned Castbox (https://castbox.fm) — Podcast listening app where Ariel worked early in her career Squadcast (https://squadcast.fm) — Remote podcast recording platform (later acquired by Descript) Descript (https://www.descript.com) — Podcast and video editing platform Tink Media (https://tinkmedia.co) — Podcast marketing agency connected to Ariel's client work Beehiiv (https://www.beehiiv.com) — Newsletter platform discussed in the context of segmenting subscribers Mowpod (https://www.mowpod.com), Audiencelift (https://audiencelift.com), Disco by Headliner (https://www.headliner.app/publisher-widgets/), Introcast (https://www.introcast.io) — Podcast advertising and promotion platforms mentioned as iterative growth channels --- PODCASTS MENTIONED 99% Invisible (https://pod.link/394775318) - best episodes of 99% Invisible. (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-99-percent-invisible/) This American Life (https://pod.link/201671138) - best episodes of This American Life (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-this-american-life/) Planet Money (https://pod.link/290783428) - best episodes of Planet Money (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-planet-money/) Mics to Millions (https://pod.link/1725636457) Plodding Through the Presidents (https://pod.link/1496733439) --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Follow us: Twitter / X (https://x.com/TalkThatPod) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61588411991733) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talkthatpodshow/) TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@talkthatpod) <a href="https://www.threads.com/@talkthatpodshow" rel="noopener

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    1 Apr 2026

    002 - Howard Dorre - Plodding Through The Presidents

    Howard Dorre of Plodding Through the Presidents --- SUMMARY In this episode, host Sebastian Arciszewski sits down with Howard Dorre, co-founder and co-host of Plodding Through the Presidents (https://www.ploddingthroughthepresidents.com) — an award-winning history podcast that takes an irreverent dive into the lesser-known stories of the American presidents and the early republic. Howard co-hosts the show with his wife, Jess, in a format where he researches the stories and presents them to her fresh on mic, blending narrative storytelling with genuine, unscripted conversation. Howard shares the full arc of the show's journey — from a personal history blog he launched in 2013, to a podcast that debuted in February 2020 just before COVID hit. He talks candidly about what drew him to early American history, why he chose the lens of myths, mysteries, and human drama over straight political chronology, and how he balances humor with respect when covering serious and sometimes dark historical subjects. The conversation also ventures into the current state of independent podcasting, the challenge of AI-generated historical content, the role indie podcasters play in preserving trust and accuracy, and Howard's honest take on democracy's fragility as seen through the lens of the early republic. Whether you're a history buff, an aspiring podcaster, or someone curious about how to build an authentic, audience-first show, this is a rich and wide-ranging conversation. --- IN THIS EPISODE | **00:01** | Sebastian introduces the show and welcomes Howard Dorre | | **00:41** | Howard describes *Plodding Through the Presidents* — narrative storytelling meets unscripted co-host conversation | | **01:27** | Origin story: how it all began with a personal blog in 2013 and a goal to read a biography of every U.S. president | | **02:34** | Making the leap from blogging to podcasting in early 2020 — what the audio format offered that writing didn't | | **05:07** | Why myths, mysteries, scandals, and human drama? How Howard landed on his show's unique editorial lens | | **06:16** | The wild and crazy early days of American politics — and why they're not so different from today | | **07:48** | Standing out in a saturated history podcast market: authenticity, passion, and the "dopamine hit" of great research | | **09:29** | The comedy element: Howard's improv background, balancing humor with respect for heavy historical subjects | | **11:21** | How the audience responds to the show's humor (including the highest compliment: scaring your cat by laughing out loud) | | **12:10** | Season themes — presidential pets, myths, and following the stories that spark genuine curiosity | | **13:13** | What makes a great "Plodding story"? The "wait, what — wait till you hear what happens next" test | | **14:20** | Best entry-point episodes: *John Quincy Adams vs. the Internet* and *Thomas Jefferson's Killer Ram* | | **16:32** | Booking notable historian guests (Joseph Ellis, HW Brands, Lindsay Trubinsky) — publicists, university emails, and letting historians talk | | **19:11** | The video question: why *Plodding* is still audio-only, and Howard's honest thoughts on the rise of video podcasting | | **21:00** | Early promotion strategies: leveraging a blog following, targeted Facebook ads, and connecting with history communities | | **22:29** | The most effective growth strategy over six years: podcast promo swaps and reaching already-listening audiences | | **23:47** | Joining the Airwave network — creative control, ad sales support, cross-promotion, and conference connections | | **25:12** | Monetization: Patreon, merchandise, and advertising — and what actually moves casual listeners to paying supporters | | **27:24** | "If I had to start over tomorrow" — Howard's honest launch strategy advice (including rethinking the show's name) | | **29:14** | The indie podcasting landscape: more shows, tougher discoverability, and the long shadow of COVID on commute listening | | **32:09** | AI versus the founders: the episode behind the episode, bots taking down the National Archives' Founders Archive, and concerns about AI-generated historical content | | **34:48** | How Howard thinks about AI as a research tool — useful but untrustworthy, and still in its "AOL CD-ROM dial-up era" | | **35:52** | The role of indie podcasters in preserving trust and historical accuracy in an era of eroding faith in legacy media | | **37:29** | Connecting early American history to today's debates about democracy, monuments, and race — how explicitly does Howard think about the current political climate? | | **40:41** | Has Howard's optimism about American democracy shifted? A candid historical perspective on the republic's fragility — from the founders onward | | **42:28** | Discomforting the audience (and co-host Jess): the Billy Possum, possums, and confronting moral complexity in history | | **45:32** | Navigating a polarized audience: how Howard avoids backlash without shying away from difficult stories | | **47:40** | Final question: three podcast recommendations from Howard | | **49:27** | Where to find *Plodding Through the Presidents* online | --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Website: Plodding Through the Presidents (https://www.ploddingthroughthepresidents.com) Plodding Through The Presidents Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ploddingthroughthepresidents) --- PLODDING THROUGH THE PRESIDENTS EPISODES MENTIONED John Quincy Adams vs. the Internet (https://pod.link/1496733439/episode/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ibHVicnJ5LmNvbS9wbG9kZGluZ190aHJvdWdoLzU2ODU5MDkwL2pvaG4tcXVpbmN5LWFkYW1zLXZzLXRoZS1pbnRlcm5ldC8) — Debunking the five most popular myths about the 6th president, including the mole people legend Thomas Jefferson's Killer Ram (https://pod.link/1496733439/episode/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ibHVicnJ5LmNvbS9wbG9kZGluZ190aHJvdWdoLzgwNTMxMzQyL3Rob21hcy1qZWZmZXJzb25zLWtpbGxlci1yYW0v) — The true story of a four-horned ram on the White House lawn and the political fallout that followed AI vs. the Founders (https://pod.link/1496733439/episode/ZTQyNjY0NGUtNGFmMS0xMWYwLTgyZjItZTc1MGFhMTQyN2Ji) — How AI bots took down the National Archives' Founders Archive and what that means for historical research --- Historian Guests Mentioned Joseph Ellis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ellis) — Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and author H.W. Brands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._W._Brands) — Historian and biographer of American presidents Lindsay Chervinsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay_Chervinsky) — Historian and author --- PODCASTS RECOMMENDED BY HOWARD 🎙️ Criminal (https://pod.link/809264944) - Best episodes of Criminal (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-criminal/) 🎙️ Civics and Coffee (https://pod.link/1527172324) 🎙️ History Dispatches (https://pod.link/1799316714) 🎙️ The Dollop (https://pod.link/643055307) - Best episodes of The Dollop (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-the-dollop/) 🎙️ My Favorite Murder (https://pod.link/1074507850) - Best episodes of My Favorite Murder (https://findthatpod.com/best-episodes-of-my-favorite-murder/) --- RESOURCES &amp; NETWORKS MENTIONED Airwave Media Network (https://www.airwavemedia.com) — The podcast network Howard's show is part of; known for maintaining creator independence while supporting ad sales and cross-promotion Tink Media (https://tinkmedia.co/swaps) — A resource for podcast promo swaps between independent shows Founders Archive (https://founders.archives.gov) — A comprehensive archive of letters written and received by the American founders --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. (https://talkthatpod.net/be-on-the-show/) Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Follow us: Twitter / X (https://x.com/TalkThatPod) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61588411991733) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@talkthatpodshow) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/talkthatpodshow/) <a...

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    1 Apr 2026

    003 - Jimmy Gownley - Unpacking Peanuts

    Unpacking Peanuts with Jimmy Gownley --- SUMMARY In this episode, host Sebastian Arciszewski sits down with Jimmy Gownley — cartoonist, graphic novelist, and the creator of the beloved Amelia Rules! series — for a wide-ranging conversation about creativity, obsession, and the enduring genius of Charles Schulz. Jimmy is the host of Unpacking Peanuts (https://www.unpackingpeanuts.com), a podcast that spent four years methodically working through all 17,897 strips in the complete 50-year run of Peanuts, one at a time. What started as a deeply personal creative project — Jimmy has read the entire strip three times through — evolved into a rich exploration of craft, biography, and cultural meaning, co-hosted with Michael Cohen and Harold Buchholz. The conversation covers everything from what it's like to stare closely at one of the greatest artistic achievements in American pop culture, to the surprising punk-rock edge of the earliest Peanuts strips, to why Gen Z has become so drawn to Snoopy. Jimmy also opens up about the personal low point that led him to immerse himself in Peanuts in the first place, and what four years of deep reading has taught him about consistency, failure, and the courage to keep reinventing yourself. On the podcast side, Jimmy shares how Unpacking Peanuts grew from a scrappy, laptop-mic recording experiment into a charted show with a loyal Patreon community — and what he would do completely differently if he were starting over today. --- IN THIS EPISODE **[00:07]** — Host Sebastian introduces *Talk That Pod* and welcomes Jimmy Gownley: cartoonist, creator of *Amelia Rules!*, and host of *Unpacking Peanuts* **[01:26]** — The staggering ambition of the show: was covering 50 years of daily and Sunday strips ever in doubt? Jimmy reveals his co-hosts had secret reservations — and he had no idea **[02:33]** — How analyzing Schulz so closely has influenced Jimmy's own approach to the blank page — and why studying a master turned out to be freeing rather than daunting **[04:39]** — Schulz's willingness to fail: Charlotte Braun, the World War I Flying Ace, and the creative courage to throw things at the wall **[05:01]** — What became clearer about Schulz's process strip by strip: how he combined the discipline of a dentist with the soul of an artist — and seemed to get happier over time **[07:12]** — The most widely accepted misconception about Peanuts: why the strip is far darker, edgier, and more punk rock than its merchandising suggests **[09:16]** — Where is the line between critical interpretation and projecting onto someone else's art? Jimmy explains how the co-hosts stay grounded by returning to the cartoonist's perspective **[10:58]** — Why the podcast shifted from strict chronological coverage to thematic deep dives, starting with *Understanding Snoopy* — and the accidental merchandise typo that came with finishing all 17,897 strips **[12:26]** — Why Gen Z loves Snoopy: fluid identity, "wholesome" redefined, and the freedom of not having read the actual strips **[13:53]** — The philosophical depth hiding inside a deceptively simple strip: failure, optimism, postmodernism, and why Schulz himself is a character in *Peanuts* **[16:11]** — What the deep reread changed for Jimmy personally, including a newfound appreciation for Schulz's "lesser periods" — and the inspiring story of Rerun Van Pelt **[18:10]** — Podcast growth: slow and steady wins, except for two big moments — the Charlie Brown Christmas episode and an Apple "Best of the Year" feature **[20:36]** — What makes *Unpacking Peanuts* resonate beyond hardcore fans: the "hanging out with friends" philosophy that drives the show's tone **[21:37]** — The shared re-reading experience as community-building: why fragmented, stay-at-home culture makes these kinds of podcasts more meaningful than ever **[23:08]** — Social media, platforms, and the unique challenge of running a visual arts podcast with no visuals **[24:26]** — Monetization and Patreon: why live interactive events have been the most effective bonus content, plus Jimmy's new "Hanging Out and Watching a Cartoon with Jimmy" audio commentary series **[26:13]** — Inside the production pipeline: what got harder after finishing the chronological reread, and why the show dialed back to twice a month **[27:50]** — If Jimmy could start *Unpacking Peanuts* over: buy a microphone, batch-record the first season, and flood social media with clips before launch **[29:20]** — Peanuts reached 350 million readers a day. Can any podcast — even Joe Rogan — approach that kind of monoculture? Jimmy weighs in on the future of shared cultural conversation **[32:23]** — Is podcasting one of the last places for long-form nuance — or are we just siloing ourselves into echo chambers? Plus: why Jimmy is reluctant to chop his show into social media clips **[34:47]** — Fan, critic, or expert? Jimmy gets humbled at his own Patreon live event **[36:07]** — Video podcasting, YouTube, and why *Unpacking Peanuts* has stayed audio-only (hint: it involves not wanting to be sued by Snoopy) — plus a brand-new idea Jimmy shares for the first time **[38:49]** — Jimmy's three podcast recommendations for any listener --- RESOURCES &amp; LINKS Jimmy Gownley on Substack (https://gvillecomics.substack.com) Unpacking Peanuts podcast (https://www.unpackingpeanuts.com) Amelia Rules! graphic novel series (https://www.ameliarules.com) --- PODCASTS MENTIONED Unpacking Peanuts (https://www.unpackingpeanuts.com) — Jimmy's own show; also available on Patreon for bonus content It's a Podcast, Charlie Brown (https://pod.link/1111793332) — hosted by William Pepper; covers the broader Peanuts phenomenon including animation and licensing Bananas for Bonanza (https://pod.link/1506246892) — a parody watch-along podcast with Matt Gorley (Conan O'Brien podcast) and comedian Andy Daly; available on Patreon with a free feed on Apple Podcasts Screw It, We're Just Gonna Talk About Comics (https://pod.link/1316290447) — two comedians doing a deep dive into classic comic books Infinite Cast (https://pod.link/1530588346)— a podcast companion to David Foster Wallace's Infinite Jest --- PEOPLE &amp; WORKS REFERENCED Charles M. Schulz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz) — creator of Peanuts (1950–2000) Harold Buchholz (https://www.haroldbuchholz.com) — co-host of Unpacking Peanuts Michael Cohen — co-host of Unpacking Peanuts Patrick McDonnell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McDonnell#:~:text=Patrick%20McDonnell%20(born%20March%2017,has%20been%20syndicated%20since%201994.)— cartoonist, creator of the comic strip Mutts Lynn Johnston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Johnston#:~:text=Lynn%20Johnston%20CM%20OM%20(born,Cartoonist%20Society) — cartoonist, creator of For Better or For Worse Charlotte Braun (https://www.peanuts.com/about/charlotte-braun) — early, short-lived Peanuts character Rerun Van Pelt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rerun_Van_Pelt)— Linus's younger brother; central to Schulz's final creative reinvention in the strip's last years --- TALK THAT POD Want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. 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