Lessons from NAMS Servant General Jon Shuler as he dives into 50 years of stories of church planting, leadership and disciple-making while exploring what it means to be a reforming Anglican in the 21st century.

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Lessons from NAMS Servant General Jon Shuler as he dives into 50 years of stories of church planting, leadership and disciple-making while exploring what it means to be a reforming Anglican in the 21st century.
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August 11, 2026
140 - What's in a Name? — Jon Shuler on Branding, the Anglican Label, and What NAMS Really Means - August 11, 2026
<p><strong>What's in a Name? — Jon Shuler on Branding, the Anglican Label, and What NAMS Really Means</strong></p><p>In episode 140, Jon Shuler dips his toes into AI for the first time and asks ChatGPT a simple question: what does "NAMS" mean? The answers — a Korean surname, an Indian nickname meaning "to honor," and, memorably, the North American Menopause Society — launch a wide-ranging and often funny reflection on the power of branding. But underneath the humor is a serious concern: the word "Anglican" triggers an instant reaction in people's minds, and it's rarely the one NAMS intends. From a Frenchman toasting "Jack Daniels!" to a South Carolinian who thought Episcopal meant "little, old, and rich," to the dozen strangers who said "oh, you're the church that hates gay people," Shuler shows how a brand can mean one godly thing to us and something entirely different to everyone else. A thought-provoking episode for every Anglican, church planter, and Great Commission Christian.</p>

July 7, 2026
139 - Are We Placing Something Ahead of Christ? - July 7th, 2026
<p><strong>"Are We Placing Something Ahead of Christ?" — Jon Shuler on Anglican Identity and the Danger of Idolatry</strong></p><p>Where your treasure is, there your heart is also. In episode 139, Jon Shuler follows the money — and what he sees troubles him. So much of what the church spends is devoted not to mission, but to maintaining a distinctly Anglican identity. Watching the FIFA World Cup, he's struck by how sport becomes an idol for millions — and how the same thing can happen, quietly and unconsciously, with Christian identity. Shuler traces his own lifelong struggle with the question "what kind of Anglican am I?" — Catholic, evangelical, charismatic, biblical — until the Spirit brought him to the only identity that finally mattered: a man in Christ. Then he turns to the Anglican Church in North America and asks a question he admits he raises with fear and trembling: when our energy and resources go toward what is distinctly Anglican rather than what is distinctly Christian, are we verging on placing something ahead of the Lord Jesus Christ? A searching, personal, and provocative episode for every Anglican, church leader, and Great Commission Christian.</p>

June 25, 2026
138 - "Would Any of Them Die for Me?" — The Question That Took a Successful Rector to His Knees - June 25th, 2026
<p><strong>"Would Any of Them Die for Me?" — The Question That Took a Successful Rector to His Knees</strong></p><p>By every external measure, the parish was a triumph: the largest in the diocese, 700 people every Sunday, 1,500 at Easter, a 17-person staff, decades of unbroken growth. Its rector was proud — and he had every worldly reason to be. Then, kneeling alone at the communion rail one evening in 1987, he heard the Spirit of God begin to ask him questions. How many of your new members are members only because they were born or married into it? How much did it cost to gain 17 new believing adults? How much should it cost to make a disciple? And finally, the question that took him from tears to weeping: would any of them die for me? In episode 138 of That NAMS Podcast, Jon Shuler tells this true story and sets it against fresh demographic numbers from the Anglican Church in North America — where half of all congregations have fewer than 50 people. The challenge he leaves with every leader is unforgettable: what is the return on investment for the congregation you serve? A searching, convicting, and unforgettable episode for every pastor, church planter, and Great Commission Christian.</p>
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