by Marika S. Bell
Humans interact with animals every day of our lives: diet, wildlife, clothes and even medicines, are all intersections we often don’t think about. This is a podcast about the interactions and connections between humans and non-human animals. Our mission is to make research more accessible to the public while sharing the voices and lived experience of our human connection with animals.
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July 13, 2026
<p>Adults don’t simply lose empathy for animals — they learn out of it. This second episode of the PHAIR Mini-series: traces how early openness narrows into adult resistance. Researchers describe the developmental arc: children begin with flexible, generous moral concern, but adolescence introduces pressures that harden attitudes and make adult behavior difficult to shift. Advocates and psychologists unpack why adults cling to entrenched patterns even when they they care about animals.</p><p>This episode Features guests:</p><p><strong>Tobias Leenaert</strong> — Author, strategist, and co‑founder of the Center for Effective Vegan Advocacy. Known for pragmatic, evidence‑based approaches to behaviour change and movement strategy, with a focus on incrementalism and broad‑tent advocacy.</p><p><strong>Antonia Gefahrt</strong> — Social psychologist and incoming doctoral researcher at the University of Burg.</p><p><strong>Chris Hopwood</strong> — Professor of Psychology at the University of Zurich. Specialises in personality, identity, and interpersonal dynamics, with recent work examining how moral identity and self‑concept influence human–animal relationships</p><p><strong>Joshua Rottman</strong> — Associate Professor of Psychology at Franklin & Marshall College. Studies moral reasoning, cognitive development, and how people justify eating animals.</p><p><strong>Brooke Haggerty</strong> — Executive Director of Faunalytics. Works at the intersection of research and advocacy, helping organizations use data to design more effective interventions and understand public attitudes toward animals.</p><p><strong>Jared Piazza</strong> — Senior Lecturer in Social Psychology at Lancaster University. Research focuses on meat consumption, moral conflict, and the belief–behavior gap.</p><p><strong>Matthew Ruby</strong> — Psychologist and researcher whose work explores moral cognition, food choices, and the psychology of eating animals. Studies how cultural norms and identity shape dietary behaviour and openness to change.</p><p><strong>Ondine Sherman</strong> — Author, advocate, and co‑founder of Voiceless. Focuses on youth engagement and ethical storytelling.</p><p><strong>Katja Liebal</strong> — Researcher studying childhood perception, fantasy animals, and early moral development.</p><p><strong>Related Links:</strong></p><ul><li><strong><a href="https://phairsociety.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PHAIR Society</a></strong> A biannual gathering of researchers and advocates focused on human–animal intergroup relations, moral psychology, and behaviour change.</li><li>For more info check out the blog at <a href="https://www.thedealwithanimals.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.thedealwithanimals.com</a></li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1FE2PLMU17JA6?ref_=wl_share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guest Book Recommendations List </a></p>
July 6, 2026
<p>First episode in a five‑episode series recorded at the Psychology of Human–Animal Intergroup Relations (PHAIR) Conference, exploring how beliefs, identity, childhood perception, and social norms shape human–animal relationships. Across conversations with ten speakers — researchers, advocates, and strategists — the series traces the tensions, hopes, and emerging ideas shaping the future of human–animal relations.</p><p>This episode features:</p><p><strong>Katja Liebal</strong> — Researcher studying childhood perception, fantasy animals, and early moral development.</p><p><strong>Jared Piazza</strong> — Senior Lecturer in Social Psychology at Lancaster University. Research focuses on meat consumption, moral conflict, and the belief–behavior gap.</p><p><strong>Antonia Gefahrt</strong> — Social psychologist and incoming doctoral researcher at the University of Burg.</p><p><strong>Ondine Sherman</strong> — Author, advocate, and co‑founder of Voiceless. Focuses on youth engagement and ethical storytelling.</p><p><strong>Sue O’Neill — </strong> Brings frontline insight into how people make decisions under pressure and how advocacy organizations can better support them.</p><p><strong>Joshua Rottman</strong> — Associate Professor of Psychology at Franklin & Marshall College. Studies moral reasoning, cognitive development, and how people justify eating animals.</p><p><strong>Related Links:</strong></p><ul><li><strong><a href="https://phairsociety.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PHAIR Society</a></strong> A biannual gathering of researchers and advocates focused on human–animal intergroup relations, moral psychology, and behaviour change.</li><li>For more info check out the blog at <a href="https://www.thedealwithanimals.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.thedealwithanimals.com</a></li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1FE2PLMU17JA6?ref_=wl_share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guest Book Recommendations List </a></p>
June 29, 2026
<p><strong>Special Bonus Content Episode - Sneak Preview from Patreon!</strong></p><p>This special bonus‑preview episode shares three curated clips from past conversations — deeper dives, tangents, and moments that didn’t make it into the main show. You’ll hear Scott Giacoppo on dogfighting myths and industry beliefs, Suzanne Clothier responding to Marika’s early experience with her newly adopted dog, and Daniel Ettinger discussing the history of animal control, rabies, and the shift toward community‑based practice. This episode also includes a thank‑you gift for early Patreon supporters.</p><p><strong>Guest Bios: </strong></p><p>Scott is a longtime animal‑cruelty investigator and former special state police officer with the Massachusetts SPCA. He has extensive experience in dogfighting investigations and national training work with HSUS</p><p>Suzanne is an internationally respected trainer and author known for her relationship‑based approach to canine behaviour. Her work focuses on trust, emotional clarity, and understanding dogs as individuals.</p><p>Daniel is a Field Services Manager with a career spanning animal control, field training, and shelter operations. He is internationally recognised as a speaker and educator who challenges stereotypes in animal control and promotes compassionate, community‑focused practice. He co‑hosts Keep It Humane: The Podcast and The Animal Control Report.</p><p><a href="https://www.patreon.com/cw/u24097443" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Be a supporter- Become a WILD Scholar at The Deal with Animals Patreon page</a></p><p><strong>Related Links:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.thedealwithanimals.com/blog" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TDWA Blog</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1FE2PLMU17JA6?ref_=wl_share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guest Book Recommendations List </a></p>
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Humans interact with animals every day of our lives: diet, wildlife, clothes and even medicines, are all intersections we often don’t think about.
This is a podcast about the interactions and connections between humans and non-human animals.
Our mission is to make research more accessible to the public while sharing the voices and lived experience of our human connection with animals.
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