by Michael McKay
Michael McKay conducts in depth interviews with decision makers and local leaders. The McKay Interview was founded on a simple idea: that listeners would tune in regularly to listen to intelligent yet relaxed, English-language conversation between Michael McKay and interesting people who do interesting things. A variety of prominent and thoughtful people have accepted the invitation and a wide range of topics have been covered.
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June 1, 2026
<p>In this episode of The McKay Interview, we venture into the industrial sector from the picturesque Zurich countryside to speak with Marco ten Bruggencate, President, Industrial Intermediates & Infrastructure; Executive Oversight, Europe, Middle East, Africa, and India at Dow. Operating as a titan in the B2B sector, Dow is a Fortune 500 company whose chemical products are the unsung cornerstones of modern life. From e-mobility and renewable energy to everyday consumer goods.</p><p>However, the European manufacturing landscape is at a critical crossroads. Marco provides a candid warning about the accelerating "de-industrialisation" of Europe, citing surging chemical plant closures and a drop in regional investments. We explore the gap between the ambitions of the European Green Deal and the regulatory realities stifling investment, a dynamic Marco refers to as the potential "tragedy of the Green Deal".</p><p>Despite these challenges, Marco remains an optimist. He shares Dow's strategic vision for the next decade, focusing on decarbonization, the circular economy, and the pragmatic choices needed to ensure Europe does not become merely an "industrial museum".</p><ul><li><p><strong>The Scope of Dow:</strong> How a 125-year-old company with $40 billion in revenue impacts our daily lives through sustainable packaging, lightweighting for EVs, and renewable energy infrastructure.</p></li><li><p><strong>The De-Industrialisation Crisis:</strong> Why announced chemical plant closures in Europe have surged sixfold since 2022, representing nearly 10% of the continent's capacity.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Regulatory Squeeze:</strong> How high energy costs, carbon taxes, and heavy regulatory burdens are driving investments out of Europe and into the US Gulf Coast and the Middle East.</p></li><li><p><strong>Global Unfair Play:</strong> The impact of heavily subsidized Chinese manufacturing on the global market and the urgent need for a level playing field.</p></li><li><p><strong>The "Mother of All Industries":</strong> Why losing the chemical sector could critically threaten Europe's strategic autonomy and make downstream industries dependent on foreign imports.</p></li><li><p><strong>Dow's Proactive Sustainability:</strong> How Dow is leading the Alliance to End Plastic Waste and building the world's first integrated decarbonized chemical complex in Canada.</p></li></ul><p><strong>Marco ten Bruggencate</strong> serves as the President, Industrial Intermediates & Infrastructure; Executive Oversight, Europe, Middle East, Africa, and India region for Dow, Inc. Based out of Horgen, Switzerland, he guides strategic planning and operations for one of the world's most critical chemical manufacturers.</p>
May 5, 2026
<p>Is justice a global privilege? Dr Karen Tse joins the McKay Interview to reveal how providing early access to a lawyer can end investigative torture.</p><p>In this episode, we sit down with Dr Karen Tse, the visionary Founder and CEO of International Bridges to Justice (IBJ). While many view the lack of legal representation in developing nations as an insurmountable tragedy, Karen sees it as a problem with a definitive, pragmatic solution. Recorded at the IBJ headquarters in the heart of Geneva, this conversation explores the staggering impact of an organisation that has reached over 70 million people, defended 500,000 cases, and trained more than 40,000 lawyers across 52 countries.</p><p>From her foundational experiences as a public defender in San Francisco to her transformative years in post-Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Karen shares moving accounts of those "lost in the system"—including the story of an innocent boy not released until he was 40. We discuss why torture remains the "cheapest form of investigation" and how IBJ is moving from a paradigm of hopelessness to one of systematic, tech-driven change to protect the world's most vulnerable populations.</p><ul><li><p><strong>The Cambodia Catalyst:</strong> How living in a post-conflict legal vacuum with fewer than ten lawyers inspired the birth of a global justice movement.</p></li><li><p><strong>Torture as a Tool:</strong> Why the lack of early access to a lawyer leads to torture being used as a primary investigative method, and how IBJ trains police forces to "walk forward" into a new reality.</p></li><li><p><strong>Lost in the System:</strong> The tragic reality of the criminalisation of poverty, featuring harrowing stories of individuals trapped in prison for decades for minor offences.</p></li><li><p><strong>The "Three Ps" of Justice:</strong> Karen’s breakdown of how IBJ uses People, Processes, and Products—including rights advisement, roundtables, and Defender Resource Centres—to build sustainable legal ecosystems.</p></li><li><p><strong>The AI Supercharge:</strong> How artificial intelligence and the digital "Justice Hub" are being used to track forgotten prisoners, quantify data, and institutionalise global defence standards.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Power of Neutrality:</strong> Why "International Geneva" and Swiss neutrality provide the perfect anchor for a global convener for justice.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Story of Vishna:</strong> The inspiring legacy of a four-year-old boy born in a Cambodian prison who taught an entire organisation the power of doing just "one thing."</p></li></ul><p><strong>Dr Karen Tse</strong> is an American-born lawyer, ordained minister, and the Founder and CEO of International Bridges to Justice (IBJ). After serving as a public defender in San Francisco, she moved to Cambodia in 1994 to work as a United Nations judicial mentor, where she witnessed firsthand the devastating effects of broken legal systems. Recognising that systematic early access to legal counsel could eradicate investigative torture, she founded IBJ in 2000. Operating out of Geneva, Switzerland, IBJ supports local "Justice Makers" and public defenders worldwide to guarantee due process rights for the indigent and vulnerable.</p><p></p>
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Michael McKay conducts in depth interviews with decision makers and local leaders.
The McKay Interview was founded on a simple idea: that listeners would tune in regularly to listen to intelligent yet relaxed, English-language conversation between Michael McKay and interesting people who do interesting things.
A variety of prominent and thoughtful people have accepted the invitation and a wide range of topics have been covered.
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