A conversation series with leaders in the psychedelic community. Designed in service of therapists, healers, retreat leaders, and passionate enthusiasts.
The Psychedelic Therapy Podcast
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A conversation series with leaders in the psychedelic community. Designed in service of therapists, healers, retreat leaders, and passionate enthusiasts.
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April 21, 2026
Ismail Lourido Ali (MAPS): The Work No Executive Order Can Do
<p>"We can pass 10 executive orders. We can put $500 million for drug development. And if we don't have people who are willing to hold that space... we're not going to get anywhere." - Ismail Lourido Ali, MAP Co-CEO<br>On April 18th, just days before 420, Bicycle Day and MAPS’ own 40th anniversary, Donald Trump signed an executive order on psychedelics. But what does it mean? Especially for psychedelic practitioners themselves.</p><p><br></p><p>Today on the Psychedelic Therapy Podcast I sit down with MAPS Co-Executive Director Ismail Lourido Ali to learn what it actually means for the people doing the work. Together we unpack the executive order from the ground up: what it legally can and can't do, why ibogaine has suddenly kicked down the door while MDMA and psilocybin wait in line, and the strange political alchemy that made this happen. We cover the key distinctions between decriminalization, medicalization, and legalization; MAPS' evolving role as a multicultural bridge-builder at this pivot point; the sovereignty of Gabon and the very real risks of biopiracy in ibogaine's commercialization; and the danger of silver-bullet thinking. The conversation ends with the practitioners themselves, and the irreplaceable human work of preparation, presence, and integration that no executive order can replicate.</p><p><br></p><p>Ismail Lourido Ali, JD is the Co-Executive Director of MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) alongside co-director Betty Aldworth. A philosopher by training and a lawyer by vocation, he previously served as MAPS Director of Policy, worked in criminal justice reform at the ACLU of Northern California, and co-founded the Psychedelic Bar Association. He has been active in psychedelic drug policy reform for over a decade.</p><p><br></p><p>Timestamps: </p><ul><li>(01:00) Ismail's first six months as MAPS Co-CEO </li><li>(07:00) Decrim, medicalization, legalization </li><li>(12:00) What Trump's executive order actually does (and doesn't do) </li><li>(19:00) Why ibogaine? Origins, the opioid crisis, and the perfect storm </li><li>(30:00) The political alchemy behind the signing </li><li>(34:00) Where MAPS fits in this pivotal moment </li><li>(46:00) The Nagoya Protocol, Gabon's sovereignty, and the risk of biopiracy </li><li>(56:00) Silver bullets vs. real healing</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a href="https://maps.org/people/ismail-l-ali-jd/">Ismail L. Ali, J.D., Co-Executive Director — MAPS</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/sage_izzy/">Ismail Lourido Ali (@sage_izzy)</a></li><li><a href="https://maps.org/2025/09/09/maps-board-of-directors-names-betty-aldworth-and-ismail-lourido-ali-as-co-executive-directors/">MAPS Board Names Aldworth and Ali as Co-Executive Directors</a></li><li><a href="https://psychedelicstoday.com/2026/04/16/a-practitioner-statement-on-the-responsible-development-of-ibogaine-in-the-united-states-open-letter/">A Practitioner Statement on the Responsible Development of Ibogaine in the United States – Open Letter</a></li></ul>
April 25, 2025
Robin Arnott & Sandeep Prakash: Training for Psychedelic Surrender
<p>Can we practice the art of surrender before the first dose?</p><p>Today on the show Robin Arnott and Dr. Sandeep Prakash explain how SoundSelf evolved from a VR curiosity into a clinically oriented tool that uses sound and light feedback to induce the unitary states therapists aim for in medicine sessions. We unpack the science of voice-activated biofeedback, ways to weave SoundSelf into preparation and integration protocols, and the larger promise of digital therapeutics for scalable, whole-person care.</p><p>SoundSelf is a voice-guided, audio-visual platform that primes the nervous system for psychedelic-level surrender and supports post-session integration. Robin Arnott is the former CEO of Andromeda Entertainment, and author of The Technodelic Manifesto. Dr. Sandeep Prakash is a leading Psychedelic Researcher trained at California Institute of Integral Studies. Together they aim to set a new gold standard for tech-enabled mental health.</p><p>Soundself is launching a new expansion: a tablet pre-configured with SoundSelf. Psychedelic Therapy Podcast listeners who order before May 9 2025 get this $600 upgrade free, plus a two-month evaluation window. Explore it for yourself at: <a href="http://www.soundself.com/ptp">www.soundself.com/ptp</a></p><p><br></p><p>Timestamps:</p><ul><li>(03:46) The Origin and Evolution of SoundSelf</li><li>(08:15) Exploring the Science and Application of SoundSelf</li><li>(21:42) Voice Activated Biofeedback and Its Impact</li><li>(30:47) The Role of SoundSelf in Psychedelic Therapy</li><li>(35:43) Combining SoundSelf with Psychedelics</li><li>(38:47) Future of Digital Therapeutics </li></ul>
February 13, 2025
Joshua White: Who You Gonna Call? Fireside
<p>Imagine you’re in the middle of a psychedelic journey—things are getting intense, and you just need someone to talk to. That’s where<strong>Fireside Project</strong> comes in. As the world’s first psychedelic peer support line, Fireside is redefining how we care for each other in altered states, offering a space where anyone can find guidance, validation, and a steady voice in uncertain moments. But beyond the helpline, Fireside is also an incredible entry point for those looking to work in the field of psychedelic support. If you’re a practitioner, facilitator, or simply curious about holding space for others, this conversation is for you.</p><p>In this episode, Fireside Executive Director Joshua White breaks down the essential skills for psychedelic peer support, from understanding the differences between coaching, therapy, and crisis intervention to mastering the<strong>art of presence</strong>. We explore why<strong>validation is often more powerful than de-escalation</strong>, the growing importance of<strong>integration coaching</strong>, and the pitfalls of<strong>self-abandonment in the psychedelic industry</strong>. Plus, we dig into what it really means to<strong>heal the wounded healer</strong>—the emotional labor of this work and how to care for yourself while caring for others.</p><p>Joshua White is the Founder and Executive Director of Fireside Project, a nonprofit dedicated to making psychedelic support accessible and culturally attuned at scale. Through its<strong>Psychedelic Support Line</strong>, Fireside provides real-time help for those navigating challenging experiences, while its<strong>Fireside-Certified Psychedelic Coaching Program</strong> offers deeper, long-term integration support. Before founding Fireside, Joshua was a Deputy City Attorney for San Francisco, where he fought against businesses exploiting vulnerable communities and co-taught a nationally recognized Yale Law School clinic. Now, he’s bringing his passion for advocacy, harm reduction, and healing to the psychedelic space—reshaping how we support one another on these journeys.</p><p><br></p><p>Timetamps</p><ul><li>(04:38) Joshua White's Personal Journey</li><li>(09:00) The Art of Presence</li><li>(11:48) Distinguishing Peer Support, Coaching, and Psychotherapy</li><li>(21:07) Fireside Project's Approach to Support</li><li>(35:46) The Future of Psychedelic Support and AI</li><li>(41:41) The Need for Long-Term Support in Psychedelic Therapy</li><li>(47:07) Challenges in the Psychedelic Industry</li><li>(52:37) Balancing Personal Well-being and Professional Commitment</li><li>(59:12) The Importance of Peer Support</li><li>(01:08:16) Joshua White's Transition Announcement</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Links</p><ul><li><a href="https://firesideproject.org/">Fireside Project: Psychedelic Coaching & Peer Support Line</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/firesideproject/?hl=en">Fireside Project (@firesideproject)</a></li><li><a href="https://firesideproject.org/join-our-team" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Curious about becoming Fireside’s new ED?</a></li></ul><p><br></p>
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