
Tortoise Investigates
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<p>Emma is a high achieving, middle class girl from west London. She seems destined for a successful career in banking and a comfortable British life. Until she makes a decision that will come to define her. In 2001 Emma marries Bashar al-Assad - the now infamous dictator of Syria.</p><br><p>In the early days, people inside and out of Syria dared to hope. Alongside his beautiful, progressive wife, Bashar promised to modernise the country.</p><br><p>But when the Arab Spring reached Syria in 2011, Bashar's regime showed itself for what it really was: a brutal force, willing to capture and kill ordinary Syrians demanding change. And in all the years that a war raged on, Asma stands by her husband. She seemingly ignored the desperate pleas to stop her husband from killing his own people. </p><br><p>But what did she really know about the atrocities her husband’s government was carrying out? And what choices did she really have? Some people allege that she actually assisted the regime and cashed in on the war, that she herself is a war criminal. Others say she tried to run away but was trapped, held hostage by a regime who threatened her life and her children. </p><br><p>So, who is the real Emma?</p><br><p>We call her Emma is a 6 part original series from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer.</p><br><p>To binge listen to all episodes today, ad-free, <a href="https://observer.co.uk/subscribe/audio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">subscribe to The Observer</a> and use the code AUDIO50 for 50% off an annual digital subscription.</p><br><p>You'll get access to:</p><ul><li>This series and all our podcasts before anyone else</li><li>Ad-free listening</li><li>A daily edition, curated by our editors 7 days a week</li><li>Puzzles from the inventors of the cryptic crossword</li><li>Recipes for every occasion</li><li>Free tickets to join Observer events in our newsroom or online</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Or subscribe to Observer+ on Apple Podcasts and Spotify for access to this series and ad-free listening to Observer podcasts.</p><br><p>Reporter - Chloe Hadjimatheou</p><p>Producer - Gary Marshall</p><p>Sound design - Karla Patella</p><p>Podcast artwork - Lola Williams & Eliza Bourner</p><p>Executive producers - Jasper Corbett and Basia Cummings</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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Recent Episodes

July 14, 2026
Diana of Damascus | We call her Emma Ep2
Reporter Chloe Hadjimatheou interviews individuals who recall Asma's early genuine intentions, exploring her entanglement with the regime in Syria.

July 7, 2026
The girl from Acton | We call her Emma Ep1
Chloe Hadjimatheou investigates how Emma, a high-achieving woman from West London, becomes Asma al-Assad, the first lady of Syria, revealing the defining decision of her life.

July 1, 2026
Introducing...We call her Emma
Reporter Chloe Hadjimatheou investigates the complex reality of Emma Assad, exploring her choices and potential complicity in her husband's Syrian regime.
136 total episodes available with 74 transcripts
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- What is Tortoise Investigates?
<p>Emma is a high achieving, middle class girl from west London. She seems destined for a successful career in banking and a comfortable British life. Until she makes a decision that will come to define her. In 2001 Emma marries Bashar al-Assad - the now infamous dictator of Syria.</p><br><p>In the early days, people inside and out of Syria dared to hope. Alongside his beautiful, progressive wife, Bashar promised to modernise the country.</p><br><p>But when the Arab Spring reached Syria in 2011, Bashar's regime showed itself for what it really was: a brutal force, willing to capture and kill ordinary Syrians demanding change. And in all the years that a war raged on, Asma stands by her husband. She seemingly ignored the desperate pleas to stop her husband from killing his own people. </p><br><p>But what did she really know about the atrocities her husband’s government was carrying out? And what choices did she really have? Some people allege that she actually assisted the regime and cashed in on the war, that she herself is a war criminal. Others say she tried to run away but was trapped, held hostage by a regime who threatened her life and her children. </p><br><p>So, who is the real Emma?</p><br><p>We call her Emma is a 6 part original series from Tortoise Investigates and The Observer.</p><br><p>To binge listen to all episodes today, ad-free, <a href="https://observer.co.uk/subscribe/audio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">subscribe to The Observer</a> and use the code AUDIO50 for 50% off an annual digital subscription.</p><br><p>You'll get access to:</p><ul><li>This series and all our podcasts before anyone else</li><li>Ad-free listening</li><li>A daily edition, curated by our editors 7 days a week</li><li>Puzzles from the inventors of the cryptic crossword</li><li>Recipes for every occasion</li><li>Free tickets to join Observer events in our newsroom or online</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Or subscribe to Observer+ on Apple Podcasts and Spotify for access to this series and ad-free listening to Observer podcasts.</p><br><p>Reporter - Chloe Hadjimatheou</p><p>Producer - Gary Marshall</p><p>Sound design - Karla Patella</p><p>Podcast artwork - Lola Williams & Eliza Bourner</p><p>Executive producers - Jasper Corbett and Basia Cummings</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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