
When The Wolves Came
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<p>Over the last decade, large swaths of evangelicals in the U.S. have embraced an extremist politics that threatens to turn our democracy into a theocracy. Through the eyes of one pastor in Phoenix, WHEN THE WOLVES CAME shows how some evangelicals are banding together to fight back – and how their efforts can fit into a bigger movement to defend democracy in the U.S.</p><p><strong>Hosted by Dr. Ruth Braunstein, <u>When The Wolves Came: Evangelicals Resisting Extremism</u> is a six-part audio documentary launching March 4 that follows this story. </strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>About Dr. Braunstein: </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.ruthbraunstein.com/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Braunstein</a> is an award-winning sociologist who studies religion, politics, and money. She is Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Connecticut, where she leads the Meanings of Democracy Lab, which researches the growing resistance to Christian Nationalism. As part of this work, she created and hosts the audio documentary When the Wolves Came: Evangelicals Resisting Extremism. Her forthcoming book<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/my-tax-dollars-the-morality-of-taxpaying-in-america-ruth-braunstein-sullivan/21508358?ean=9780691254999&next=t&affiliate=104582" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">, My Tax Dollars: The Morality of Taxpaying in America</a>, explores how taxpaying has become a moral battleground in public life.</p><p><br></p><p><a href="http://whenthewolvescame.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WhenTheWolvesCame.org</a></p>
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April 8, 2025
6: David and Goliath
The new Trump Administration may openly embrace white Christian nationalism, but Pastor Caleb and other evangelical resistors are gaining momentum. They’re connecting to a bigger pro-democracy movement where faith groups and secular groups are uneasily allied against theocracy. Show Notes: Learn more and Follow Ruth Braunstein’s Substack. Episode Guests: Caleb E. Campbell is a pastor at Desert Springs Bible Church in Phoenix, Arizona, and the author of Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. https://www.disarmingleviathan.com/ Kristin Kobes Du Mez is a New York Times bestselling author and Professor of History and Gender Studies at Calvin University. Her research focuses on the intersection of gender, religion, and politics, and her most recent book is Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation. Lionel Estrada is a father, grandfather, Jesus follower, worship leader, songwriter and addiction/trauma therapist from Phoenix, AZ. He has been a member of Desert Springs Bible Church for almost 20 years. Jemar Tisby is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the Church's Complicity in Racism, How to Fight Racism, and How to Fight Racism: Young Reader's Edition. He is also a Professor of History at Simmons College of Kentucky in Louisville. Jemar is the co-host of the "Pass the Mic" podcast. Napp Nazworth, Ph.D., is Executive Director of American Values Coalition. He previously worked in academia teaching courses in U.S. government, Congress, and religion and politics; and as a journalist, serving as opinion editor and politics editor for The Christian Post. Katherine Stewart is the award-winning author of Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy. https://katherinestewart.me For more, including full transcripts, go to WhenTheWolvesCame.org See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

April 1, 2025
5: Down the Rabbit Hole
We attend a Christian nationalist event shortly before the 2024 election and talk to an extremism expert about how to prevent radicalization. One QAnon believer changes his tune with the help of Pastor Caleb and his church. Show Notes: Learn more: Multi-faith Neighbors Network Peacemakers Toolkit and Disarming Leviathan Episode Guests: Caleb E. Campbell is a pastor at Desert Springs Bible Church in Phoenix, Arizona, and the author of Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. https://www.disarmingleviathan.com/ Dr. Cynthia Miller-Idriss is a Professor in the School of Public Affairs and in the School of Education at the American University in Washington, DC, where she is also the founding director of the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab. John Thielepape is Director of Projects at GlocalNet and Multi-faith Neighbors Network in Keller, TX. John attended Belmont University, Baylor University, and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary obtaining BBA, Master of Divinity, and Doctor of Ministry degrees. Lionel Estrada is a father, grandfather, Jesus follower, worship leader, songwriter and addiction/trauma therapist from Phoenix, AZ. He has been a member of Desert Springs Bible Church for almost 20 years. Nathan Whitchurch graduated from the University of Southern California in 2007 with a B.S. Mechanical Engineering degree and moved to Phoenix, AZ. Nathan joined the DSBC board of elders in 2013 and continues to serve as an elder, volunteer, and spiritual leader there. For more, including full transcripts, go to WhenTheWolvesCame.org See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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<p>Over the last decade, large swaths of evangelicals in the U.S. have embraced an extremist politics that threatens to turn our democracy into a theocracy. Through the eyes of one pastor in Phoenix, WHEN THE WOLVES CAME shows how some evangelicals are banding together to fight back – and how their efforts can fit into a bigger movement to defend democracy in the U.S.</p><p><strong>Hosted by Dr. Ruth Braunstein, <u>When The Wolves Came: Evangelicals Resisting Extremism</u> is a six-part audio documentary launching March 4 that follows this story. </strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>About Dr. Braunstein: </strong></p><p><a href="https://www.ruthbraunstein.com/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Braunstein</a> is an award-winning sociologist who studies religion, politics, and money. She is Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Connecticut, where she leads the Meanings of Democracy Lab, which researches the growing resistance to Christian Nationalism. As part of this work, she created and hosts the audio documentary When the Wolves Came: Evangelicals Resisting Extremism. Her forthcoming book<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/my-tax-dollars-the-morality-of-taxpaying-in-america-ruth-braunstein-sullivan/21508358?ean=9780691254999&next=t&affiliate=104582" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">, My Tax Dollars: The Morality of Taxpaying in America</a>, explores how taxpaying has become a moral battleground in public life.</p><p><br></p><p><a href="http://whenthewolvescame.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WhenTheWolvesCame.org</a></p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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