Hosted by Greg Ashman and Caiti Wade, ‘When Will They Learn?’ explores what’s trending in the world of education. Each episode, Greg and Caiti engage with podcasts, articles and opinions shaping education discourse, examining these through a science of learning lens. They discuss not just what’s popular, but what’s supported by the evidence. <br/><br/><a href="https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">whenwilltheylearn.substack.com</a>
When Will They Learn?
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Hosted by Greg Ashman and Caiti Wade, ‘When Will They Learn?’ explores what’s trending in the world of education. Each episode, Greg and Caiti engage with podcasts, articles and opinions shaping education discourse, examining these through a science of learning lens. They discuss not just what’s popular, but what’s supported by the evidence. <br/><br/><a href="https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast">whenwilltheylearn.substack.com</a>
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July 23, 2026
Episode #13 Once Upon a Time at Mossbourne
<p>This week, we begin with the remarkable story of Mossbourne Victoria Park Academy, exploring how one of England’s highest-performing schools found itself at the centre of controversy over discipline, behaviour, and what happens when a school is accused of being too strict. Greg takes us through the long and fascinating history behind the headlines, raising questions about whether the media really does present the full picture.</p><p>From there, we discuss the persistent gender imbalance in senior mathematics subjects, unpacking what the evidence says about why these patterns remain and the assumptions that often dominate public debate.</p><p>Finally, we turn to the use of parent/guardian behaviour contracts in schools, considering what they reveal about the changing relationship between schools and families, where responsibility for student behaviour begins and ends, and why these policies generate such strong reactions.</p><p>Get in touch on any of our socials below! We get a lot of listener requests, but will try to cover as many of your suggestions as possible.</p><p><strong>Greg Ashman</strong></p><p>Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://fillingthepail.substack.com/">Filling the Pail</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-ashman-phd-790b59ab/">Greg Ashman</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/greg_ashman">@greg_ashman</a></p><p>If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.clarendon.vic.edu.au/about/employment">please see here for open roles and expressions of interest</a>.</p><p><strong>Caiti Wade</strong></p><p>Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane, education consultant and is doing her doctorate in cognitive science.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://thedisruptiveeducator.substack.com/">The Disruptive Educator</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/caiti-wade-961779138/">Caiti Wade</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/caiti_wade">@caiti_wade</a></p><p><strong>Episode resources</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/school-strict-mossbourne-victoria-park-academy-6ght3r777?eafs_enabled=false">The school punished for being too strict | Mossbourne Victoria Park Academy</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/maths-enrolments-rebound-but-one-group-is-taking-longer-to-bounce-back-20260702-p60c4r.html">VCE maths enrolments: Victorian student numbers rebound after pandemic slump but gender gap persists</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-becomes-a-power-struggle-how-private-schools-are-taking-on-entitled-parents-20260701-p60bqg.html">Private school parent behaviour: Why elite schools are introducing mandatory contracts to combat rising entitlement</a></p><p><strong>Acknowledgement of country</strong></p><p>We would like to acknowledge The Traditional Custodians of the lands on which we record this podcast, the lands of the Wadawurrung People, and the lands of the Jagera and Turrbal Peoples, and pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">whenwilltheylearn.substack.com</a>
July 9, 2026
Episode #12 Ooh, gossip!
<p>This week, we’re talking education gossip - not the staffroom kind, but the stories that dominate headlines and social media before anyone has had time to think them through.</p><p>We start by discussing the debate surrounding school suspensions, isolation, and behaviour management, following on from last episode’s conversation. Along the way, we explore how schools are portrayed in the media and how public narratives can shape perceptions of education.</p><p>From there, we turn our attention to science education in Australasia before the conversation inevitably drifts into internet arguments, education social media, and why online debates seem so determined to turn every issue into a binary.</p><p>Finally, we wrap up with a discussion about working-class students in the UK, using a recent news story to reflect on disadvantage, opportunity, and the stories we choose to tell about education.</p><p><strong>Have something you want us to discuss in a future episode? Or want to find us?</strong></p><p>Get in touch on any of our socials below! We get a lot of listener requests, but will try to cover as many of your suggestions as possible.</p><p><strong>Greg Ashman</strong></p><p>Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://fillingthepail.substack.com/">Filling the Pail</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-ashman-phd-790b59ab/">Greg Ashman</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/greg_ashman">@greg_ashman</a></p><p>If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.clarendon.vic.edu.au/about/employment">please see here for open roles and expressions of interest</a>.</p><p><strong>Caiti Wade</strong></p><p>Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane, education consultant and is doing her doctorate in cognitive science.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://thedisruptiveeducator.substack.com/">The Disruptive Educator</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/caiti-wade-961779138/">Caiti Wade</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/caiti_wade">@caiti_wade</a></p><p><strong>Episode resources</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://theconversation.com/isolation-as-a-form-of-discipline-how-should-schools-manage-poor-student-behaviour-286132">Isolation as a form of discipline: how should schools manage poor student behaviour?</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://educationhq.com/news/no-one-pedagogy-is-best-science-academics-call-out-binary-debates-in-new-blueprint-212115/">No one pedagogy is best: science academics call out ‘binary’ debates in new blueprint — EducationHQ</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html">[Warning: EXPLICIT] How to Disagree | Paul Graham</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq51j10q601o">White working-class children 'failed by schools system</a>'</p><p><strong>Acknowledgement of country</strong></p><p>We would like to acknowledge The Traditional Custodians of the lands on which we record this podcast, the lands of the Wadawurrung People, and the lands of the Jagera and Turrbal Peoples, and pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">whenwilltheylearn.substack.com</a>
June 25, 2026
Episode #11 Universal Design for Neurononsense
<p>This week we’re diving into three topics that have generated plenty of headlines, strong opinions, and more than a few questionable cases of what we’ve termed ‘neurononsense’.</p><p>We unpack discussions around the Victorian' Government’s decision to give principals more powers to suspend students, finally talk about Universal Design for Learning (UDL) and its inherent similarities to learning styles (the neuromyth that keeps on giving!), and talk to technology in the classroom. </p><p>As always, we’re less interested in what’s popular than what’s supported by evidence - or what’s not.</p><p><strong>Have something you want us to discuss in a future episode? Or want to find us?</strong></p><p>Get in touch on any of our socials below! We get a lot of listener requests, but will try to cover as many of your suggestions as possible. </p><p><strong>Greg Ashman</strong></p><p>Greg is a school leader at Ballarat Clarendon College and holds a PhD in instructional design from UNSW.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://fillingthepail.substack.com/">Filling the Pail</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-ashman-phd-790b59ab/">Greg Ashman</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/greg_ashman">@greg_ashman</a></p><p>If you’re interested in working with Greg at Ballarat Clarendon College, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.clarendon.vic.edu.au/about/employment">please see here for open roles and expressions of interest</a>.</p><p><strong>Caiti Wade</strong></p><p>Caiti is a leader of pedagogy at a boys’ secondary school in Brisbane, education consultant and is doing her doctorate in cognitive science.</p><p>Substack – <a target="_blank" href="https://thedisruptiveeducator.substack.com/">The Disruptive Educator</a></p><p>LinkedIn – <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/caiti-wade-961779138/">Caiti Wade</a></p><p>X/Twitter – <a target="_blank" href="https://x.com/caiti_wade">@caiti_wade</a></p><p><strong>Episode resources</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victorian-public-schools-suspend-about-150-students-a-day-20260617-p607om.html">Victorian public schools suspend about 150 students a day | The Age</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2021-57881-001">Lessons (not) learned: The troubling similarities between learning styles and universal design for learning. | Guy Boysen</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://educationhq.com/news/they-cant-resist-them-teacher-reveals-extent-of-digital-device-distraction-211428/">‘They can’t resist them’: teacher reveals extent of digital device distraction | Sarah Duggan</a></p><p><strong>Acknowledgement of country</strong></p><p>We would like to acknowledge The Traditional Custodians of the lands on which we record this podcast, the lands of the Wadawurrung People, and the lands of the Jagera and Turrbal Peoples, and pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://whenwilltheylearn.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">whenwilltheylearn.substack.com</a>
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