12 Sept 2026
Betting Your Life On a Calling, Even When "It Sucks"-- On Criticism, Comedy, and the Creative Life
Why you have to make bad art to get good, how to survive criticism from your own family, and the terrifying thing about betting your life on a creative dream. Schee and Seng sit down with their youngest brother Roger — a working standup comic — for a freewheeling, funny, and surprisingly tender conversation about the creative life. It starts with an on-the-fly improv game and Roger's latest TikTok sketch getting roasted, then turns into something bigger: why you have to make a lot of bad work before you make anything good, how brutal it is to take criticism from the people you love, whether greatness is talent, hard work, or something in the soul — and what it actually costs to bet your life on a dream.CHAPTERS 00:00 - Improv on the Fly: The "Goon Marathon" 04:11 - You Have to Make Bad Art to Get Good 13:47 - When the Criticism Comes From Family 21:19 - Talent, Hard Work, or Soul? 27:31 - Standup, Sketches, and the Perfect-Clay-Pot Problem 38:16 - Brain Rot and the Race for Attention 45:12 - Critic vs. Artist 53:22 - The Terrifying Thing About Chasing Your Calling
The most personal thread is about criticism, and specifically criticism from family. As the youngest of eight brothers, Roger has caught the sharp end of it his whole life, and the three of them get honest about how a hard-driving, "go be a doctor" household shaped the way they all give and take feedback. Schee tells the story of pouring himself into a worship set as a kid only to have his dad and a brother wave it off as a waste of time; Seng admits he quietly gave up making music for similar reasons. It's a candid talk about why it stings more when it comes from the people you love — and how to keep creating anyway.
Running underneath is a genuine argument about greatness: is it pure talent, relentless hard work, or something innate — a "soul" factor you either have or you don't? They reach for Will Ferrell, the improv instincts of Conan O'Brien and Andy Richter, and the wiring of Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan, then land on a spirited debate about the critic versus the artist: whether a critic (Siskel & Ebert, Simon Cowell) can ever be truly "great," or whether real greatness only belongs to the ones willing to be vulnerable and put their own work on the line.It closes somewhere unexpectedly moving. Riffing on Jim Carrey's line about the freedom of not caring what others think, Schee gets at the harder truth for anyone early in a passion project: it isn't the mean comments that hurt, it's caring so much that it works out — and the fear of giving your whole life to the thing your soul is built for and still falling short. Roger points back to wrestling in high school: he didn't make it to state, but he's grateful he tried. It ends on the sacred, terrifying ground of doing the work you believe you were made to do — the exact ground this podcast is standing on.
🎙️ Conversations are soul food. Dash in some humor, culture, and essential nuance-- you get Yada Yada Gold, a common-folk conversational podcast hosted by Schee Moua along with brothers Kong Moua and Seng Moua. We sit down with each other along with other curious talking heads, as we attempt to make sense of the broader human experience in a hyper-reductive world— no niche, no beat, no script. New episodes and clips on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.